No, you are missing the point, what they need to do is convince the
camera that there is no film so that it 'dry-fires' and doesn't expect
film advance to occur.  That should be far simpler than doing what I
initially thought and what you are now thinking - i.e. trying to
convince it the film it thinks it has loaded has advanced successully.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: 19 September 2002 14:39
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Dry firing (was sillycon film)
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Rob wrote:
> 
> "The big question is whethter all cameras are consistent in 
> this respect?
>       I am guessing many will see the existence of a film due 
> to a pressure
>       sensor in the film chamber as you describe, but some 
> may be as Mike says
>       where the film is detected by movement of a toothed wheel or IR
>       detection of film movement over the film plate when the 
> take up spool is
>       advanced.  The other thing is do all cameras using a 
> sensor in the film
>       chamber have the sensor in the same place?  It makes 
> sense to use the DX
>       pins as you describe, but that does not mean all 
> cameras do it the
>       sensible way!!"
> 
> There may be a sensor in the cassette area of the body but it 
> will not be able to tell the camera that the film is 
> advancing...  All the AF cameras I have seen automatically 
> try to advance film when the back is closed, even if there is 
> no cassette loaded.  It seems to me that only DX sensors are 
> in the cassette area.  Therefore, "silicon film" inserts for 
> Pentax will need some mechanical parts to simulate film presence. 
> These will be power consuming and prone to wear and tear.  
> They will also need to fit into a space designed for the film 
> - a very thin place, indeed.  It's looking bad, to me.
> 
> mike
> 
> 

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