BTW, I love the change to the title of this thread!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Brigham 
> Sent: 19 September 2002 14:43
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Dry firing (was sillycon film)
> 
> 
> No, you are missing the point, what they need to do is 
> convince the camera that there is no film so that it 
> 'dry-fires' and doesn't expect film advance to occur.  That 
> should be far simpler than doing what I initially thought and 
> what you are now thinking - i.e. trying to convince it the 
> film it thinks it has loaded has advanced successully.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mike wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 19 September 2002 14:39
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Dry firing (was sillycon film)
> > 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Rob wrote:
> > 
> > "The big question is whethter all cameras are consistent in
> > this respect?
> >       I am guessing many will see the existence of a film due 
> > to a pressure
> >       sensor in the film chamber as you describe, but some 
> > may be as Mike says
> >       where the film is detected by movement of a toothed 
> wheel or IR
> >       detection of film movement over the film plate when the 
> > take up spool is
> >       advanced.  The other thing is do all cameras using a 
> > sensor in the film
> >       chamber have the sensor in the same place?  It makes 
> > sense to use the DX
> >       pins as you describe, but that does not mean all 
> > cameras do it the
> >       sensible way!!"
> > 
> > There may be a sensor in the cassette area of the body but it
> > will not be able to tell the camera that the film is 
> > advancing...  All the AF cameras I have seen automatically 
> > try to advance film when the back is closed, even if there is 
> > no cassette loaded.  It seems to me that only DX sensors are 
> > in the cassette area.  Therefore, "silicon film" inserts for 
> > Pentax will need some mechanical parts to simulate film presence. 
> > These will be power consuming and prone to wear and tear.  
> > They will also need to fit into a space designed for the film 
> > - a very thin place, indeed.  It's looking bad, to me.
> > 
> > mike
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

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