Thanks Mira,
        However, like most of the articles published the comments you quoted 
are misleading and very incomplete. I know that we (Avionics) have not been 
given any official nor formal exemption. Military possibly, avionics not. 
Possibly the avionics he is speaking of is actually aerospace. Avionics as 
defined for our products as being plane/helicopter based fight, control and 
communications systems

        My comments before were based upon a lot of comments by these so-called 
experts (you run into lots of them at many of these trade seminars on RoHS and 
WEEE) stating that avionics are exempt. We even have some within our own 
company that believe this. The fact is that an exemption for avionics has been 
applied for, it has not been granted and no one seems to know when the EU will 
even deal with it. There is a group of avionics companies (ones with big legal 
depts or budgets) that have basically prepared a legal position that basically 
states that the EU has failed to deal with the exemption application, therefore 
why would they spend millions only to have the EU grant an exemption at a later 
date. Our company is playing follow the leader(s) tagging along behind their 
big legal departments, at the moment.

        If anyone wants to carry on this conversation, we really should move it 
over to the OT forum before we rile up the Techserve gods or other forum 
members that don't appreciate the topic. I can't go over there and chat with 
myself (at least not without a visit from some of my workmates whom may be 
concerned if I am carrying on email conversations with myself). I posted an 
initial email or two to move the thread to OT but no one has followed yet.

Sincerely,
Brad Velander
Senior PCB Designer
Northern Airborne Technology
#14 - 1925 Kirschner Road,
Kelowna, BC, V1Y 4N7.
tel (250) 763-2329 ext. 225
fax (250) 762-3374



-----Original Message-----
From: Mira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:34 PM
To: Protel EDA Discussion List
Subject: [PEDA] avionics


Bill, nice site. Thanks for providing the link.

Brad, 

I know you are interested in avionics and RoHS. I just
opened my SMT magazine (November 2005) and there is an
article on page 12 "Selling to Military Markets After
RoHS" by Craig Hunter.


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