Jon, List,
a car is composed of parts, but a car is not a relation. Rheme, dicent, argument is not a classification of signs, that would be qualisign, sinsign, legisign for the sign as prascinded correlate, and ten classes for the real sign. I have run out of arguments now.
Best, Helmut
2. November 2025 um 21:50
"Jon Alan Schmidt" <[email protected]>
wrote:Helmut, List:
All I can tell you is that your terminology continues to be inconsistent with Peirce's, suggesting an ongoing misunderstanding of the associated concepts.
HR: As far as I have understood, a relation is a kind of composition, and a -tomy is a kind of classification.
Composition is a kind of (triadic) relation, not the other way around; and as I said before, dichotomies and trichotomies are twofold and threefold divisions, respectively.
HR: Rheme, dicent, argument, for example, is a classification, it is kinds (not parts) of the genuine interpretant-sign-relation, which are prescinded.
Rheme/dicent/argument is a classification of signs, which is according to the nature of the sign's relation with its genuine (final) interpretant; it is not a classification of that relation itself.
HR: This "either-or" does not apply to the two objects, nor to the three interpretants. ... So it is not a classification, but a composition.
The object is not composed of the dynamical and immediate objects, and the interpretant is not composed of the final, dynamical, and immediate interpretants.
HR: I don´t know, if it is ok to say, that a hexad is irreducible, it is an irreducible triad between a monad, an irreducible dyad, and an irreducible triad.
Again, there is no such thing as an irreducible hexad; and the irreducible triad is the relation whose three correlates are the sign itself, its genuine (dynamical) object, and its genuine (final) interpretant.
Regards,
Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA
Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian
On Sun, Nov 2, 2025, 12:31 PM Helmut Raulien <[email protected]> wrote:
Jon, List,The term "division" is too ambiguous for me. You can call the elements of a relation so, too. As far as I have understood, a relation is a kind of composition, and a ...tomy is a kind of classification. Rheme, dicent, argument, for example, is a classification, it is kinds (not parts) of the genuine interpretant-sign-relation, which are prescinded. In reality it is a dekatomy: Ten classes of signs, a classification, either-or. This "either-or" does not apply to the two objects, nor to the three interpretants. They appear together. The division between them is only in the mind of the analyst, not in reality. So it is not a classification, but a composition. The DO and the IO have a relation with each other, the IO is the part of the sign, that enables the sign to have a relation with the DO. I don´t know, if itis ok. to say, that a hexad is irreducible, it is an irreducible triad between a monad, an irreducible dyad, and an irreducible triad. The number of correlates is due to depth of analysis: 1. 3. 6, 10, 15, 21, 28, and so on. The distance between two numbers is the distance between the two numbers before plus one.Best, Helmut
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