Hi Gary,
It's not meant to be a joke, I'm totally serious.
"Some signs physically exist and some do not". To me this sounds like
missing the point since the most pertinent question about signs is whether
they are **real**. And whether they are real or not does not depend on
their physical existence. Final causation is not efficient causation.
To that extent I don't see why we are meant to reject Edwina's view because
it is 'pansemiotic'. I think I am that way myself. And I would be willing
to wager that Peirce is too ("The Universe is perfused with signs",
objective idealism, etc)
Cheers, Cathy
*From:* Gary Fuhrman [mailto:[email protected]]
*Sent:* Sunday, 23 March 2014 1:51 a.m.
*To:* 'Peirce List'
*Subject:* RE: [PEIRCE-L] RE: [biosemiotics:5459] Re: What kind of sign is
ANYTHING called "a
Cathy, you asked:
"How does one clearly distinguish between semiosis and physical existence?"
I don't get the point of your question (I don't get the joke, I guess!) One
makes that clear distinction by defining "semiosis", and using the word
"existence", in the way that Peirce did. From that it follows that some
signs physically exist and some do not, and in any given semiotic analysis,
some physically existing things are signs and others are not. Unless of
course it's a *pansemiotic* analysis like Edwina's!
Anyway I'm sure we'll hear from Vinicius next week!
gary f.
*From:* Catherine Legg [mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]>]
*Sent:* 21-Mar-14 5:21 AM
*To:* Gary Fuhrman
*Cc:* Peirce List
*Subject:* RE: [PEIRCE-L] RE: [biosemiotics:5459] Re: What kind of sign is
ANYTHING called "a
Hi Gary!
Thanks for this overview of the contemporary bio-semiotic landscape as you
see it. I find such synoptic thinking really helpful myself. I just have a
couple of scattered remarks.
In Sao Paulo in November 2012 I went to a very interesting presentation by
Vinicius on his solenoid of semiosis. My understanding is that it is
considerably more complex than a simple spiral insofar as it draws on
Peirce's 'three threes' of sign-analysis (qualisign-sinsign-legisign,
icon-index-symbol, term-proposition-argument) which produce 9
possibilities. Its diagram was at least three dimensional on the screen if
I remember rightly. Perhaps Vinicius, who I understand is on the list, can
tell us more.
Regarding your criticism of Edwina's view that, "it doesn't clearly
distinguish between semiosis and physical existence"
How does one clearly distinguish between semiosis and physical existence? J
Cheers, Cathy
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