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From: "Kasser,Jeff" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: April 8, 2014 at 10:54:58 PM MDT
To: Benjamin Udell <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar:  Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

Hi Ben, Sam, Jeffrey, et al.

I like Jeffrey's question about the status in Peirce's argument of the claim 
that the scientific method is the only method that leaves room for its own 
misapplication. And I like the answer Ben gave below. Peirce rightly prefers 
overlapping strands of argumentation to a single line of reasoning, but it's 
hard to resist raising questions about what in "Fixation" depends on what.

I tend to trace his argumentative resources back to the doubt-belief theory.  I 
think Peirce wants to come as close as he can to deriving such things as 
fallibility and openness to improvement from those resources centered on 
Section III of the paper. For belief to be worth wanting, it has to be 
something that can go wrong. Any game that makes it trivially true that I win 
every time isn't worth playing, and if there's no prospect at all of going 
wrong, there's no real sense in which one can claim to be right.  So belief 
couldn't be satisfactory unless it were, in principle at least, open to 
correction.  I can use a method that as a matter of fact guarantees that I 
can't go wrong, but I can't think of myself as doing that w/o undercutting the 
very notion of success. So such methods as authority can be used but can't be 
voluntarily and clear-headedly adopted.  This comes close to building the 
hypothesis of reality into the notion of belief, but Peirce does that a couple 
of times in "Fixation," so far as I can tell.

I'd like to hear and talk more about how you see the role of ethics and 
esthetics in the argument of "Fixation," Ben. I think you and I agree that the 
contrast between the efficiency aspects of the argument and the normative 
appeals involved isn't as clear as it's often been taken to be.

Best to all,

Jeff
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From: Benjamin Udell [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>]
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 11:10 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] RE: de Waal Seminar:  Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science

Jeffrey, Jeff,

Off to an excellent start!

Jeffrey, you wrote,

[Peirce] says:  “This is the only one of the four methods which presents any 
distinction of a right and a wrong way.” (EP, vol. 1, 121)
What is Peirce saying here?  Let us try to clarify the bases of this claim.  In 
a number of places, including the lectures in Reasoning and the Logic of 
Things, he stresses and develops the idea that the scientific method is 
self-correcting.  I’d like to ask a question about the relationship between 
these two claims.

Peirce means that, of the four methods, the scientific method is the only one 
whereby inquiry, according to the method's own account, can go wrong as well as 
right; scientific method alone among them presupposes, or hypothesizes, that 
there are real things that are what they are independently of the opinion of 
particular minds or communities - hence the scientific method's fallibilism. 
According to each of the other three methods' own accounts, inquiry by the 
method in the account cannot go wrong. On the other hand, scientific method is 
like the other methods in that, according its own account, inquiry by it can go 
right - hence, the scientific method's rejection of radical skepticism, a 
rejection also expressed in the opposition to merely quarrelsome or verbal 
doubt. The scientific method's supposition of real things, external permanency, 
to be cognized albeit fallibly, is what gives it hope of inquiry's not 
floundering in opinion's vicissitudes. The scientific method takes fallibility 
as well as the possibility of success into account by having inquiry genuinely 
address genuine doubts. By this it can improve the security of beliefs, 
sometimes by changing them. It lets such doubts in, instead of leaving them to 
accrue against overall scientific method itself.

It seems to me that the claim that the inquirer is fallible but has the 
potential for success is the basis for the scientific method's claim that 
inquiry should be self-critical and self-corrective. The argument does not seem 
to me to run in the opposite direction.

Near the end of "The Fixation of Belief" Peirce does frame inquiry in terms of 
ethical and esthetic issues, even though he did not at that time regard the 
studies of esthetics and ethics as preceding the study of logic.

http://www.peirce.org/writings/p107.html

But, above all, let it be considered that what is more wholesome than any 
particular belief is integrity of belief, and that to avoid looking into the 
support of any belief from a fear that it may turn out rotten is quite as 
immoral as it is disadvantageous. The person who confesses that there is such a 
thing as truth, which is distinguished from falsehood simply by this, that if 
acted on it should, on full consideration, carry us to the point we aim at and 
not astray, and then, though convinced of this, dares not know the truth and 
seeks to avoid it, is in a sorry state of mind indeed.

Yes, the other methods do have their merits: a clear logical conscience does 
cost something -- just as any virtue, just as all that we cherish, costs us 
dear. [....]

"...immoral...", "Just as any virtue..." - those words point to ethics.
"...just as all that we cherish..." - those words point to esthetics (in 
Peirce's sense of 'esthetics').

Now, in ethics there is usually the idea of a struggle, e.g., in virtue ethics, 
courage is due boldness (or at least due confident behavior) despite pressure 
to do otherwise; prudence is due caution despite contrary pressure; and so on. 
In the above-quoted passage, Peirce sees issues of struggle, costs, and 
trade-offs reaching into issues of one's most general values, i.e., the 
esthetic level. "The Fixation of Belief" starts with the idea of inquiry as 
struggle, and this struggle is also a case of ethical right and wrong and of 
esthetic good and bad, in Peirce's view at that time, even though he didn't yet 
see the studies of esthetics and ethics as preceding that of logic.

As regards your last paragraph, the scientific method's fallibilism about 
opinion seems quite thoroughgoing enough to apply to premisses, conclusions, 
methods, etc., since all premisses, conclusions, and methods that are actually 
adopted are adopted on the basis of actual opinions. The infallibilism of the 
other three methods seems likewise.

Best, Ben

On 4/7/2014 3:12 PM, Jeffrey Brian Downard wrote:

List,
In addition to joining Jeff K. in looking forward to the prospect of bouncing 
ideas off each other as we explore this chapter of the ’ <Guide for the 
Perplexed>, I’d like t0o start by saying that I found his introductory remarks 
about “The Fixation of Belief” clear and to the point.
For the sake of getting the discussion started, I’d like raise a question about 
a claim Peirce makes in part V of the essay.  He says:  “This is the only one 
of the four methods which presents any distinction of a right and a wrong way.” 
(EP, vol. 1, 121)
What is Peirce saying here?  Let us try to clarify the bases of this claim.  In 
a number of places, including the lectures in Reasoning and the Logic of 
Things, he stresses and develops the idea that the scientific method is 
self-correcting.  I’d like to ask a question about the relationship between 
these two claims.
Peirce seems to suggest that the self-correcting character of the scientific 
method is quite remarkable because it is able to correct for three kinds of 
errors:
1)      in the premises (i.e., the observations) we’ve used as starting points,
2)      in the conclusions we’ve drawn (i.e., the beliefs we’ve formed) in our 
scientific reasoning,
3)      and in the method itself.
I want ask a question about these three different kinds of error.  Call them, 
if you will, observational errors, errors in our conclusions, and 
methodological errors.  How might the claim that the scientific method is the 
only one that admits of any distinction of a right and wrong way be used in 
arguments to support each of these three claims about the self-correcting 
character of scientific inquiry?  My hunch is that the other three methods he 
is considering—tenacity, authority and the a priori methods--fail on each of 
these three fronts.
Yours,
Jeffrey D.
Jeff Downard
Associate Professor
Department of Philosophy
NAU
(o) 523-8354
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From: Kasser,Jeff 
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Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 10:55 AM
To: Jeffrey Brian Downard
Cc: Peirce List
Subject: de Waal Seminar:  Chapter 6, Philosophy of Science


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