Michael- I'm not sure of your meaning. I think that Thirdness has a vital role 
to play in maintaining stability and continuity; thus, a key aspect is to 
inhibit randomness.  BUT, randomness (Firstness and Secondness) are basic 
components of the universe, so, Thirdness doesn't always win. Peirce did 
suggest that eventually, possibly, the universe would 'freeze up' within its 
laws....but, hopefully, chance is more powerful.

Edwina
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael DeLaurentis 
  To: 'Edwina Taborsky' 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 8:12 AM
  Subject: RE: [PEIRCE-L] Firstness, Secondness, Thirdness


  Edwina - I'm not sure you mean to say what you do say in your final sentence. 
Chance "exists" completely independently of law, and indeed randomly acts to 
redirect material law [evolution] (if not mathematical law). It does not depend 
on the "reality" [??] of any other mode. So, yes, of course tychistic changes 
are unlawful - but they're not prevented by law per se. 

   

  From: Edwina Taborsky [mailto:[email protected]] 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 8:02 AM
  To: [email protected]; [email protected]
  Subject: [PEIRCE-L] Firstness, Secondness, Thirdness

   

  I have said that I disagree that all three categorical modes are always 
present in a triadic Sign. My examples have been taken from the ten classes of 
signs provided by Peirce (2.254). Therefore, a sign with all three relations in 
a mode of Firstness or Secondness does exist.

   

  Sung asked - how can there be anything without Form; he seems to be under the 
misapprehension that Thirdness provides the Form - and I reject such an 
assumption.

   

  First, I don't separate matter and form except intellectually. Matter cannot 
exist without form. But form is not  Thirdness. Thirdness is the 
laws-of-habitual formation, which enables continuity of type. But matter can 
certainly exist without continuity - and when it does, for example, it can be 
in a mode of Firstness (a local, instantaneous formation of matter) or 
Secondness (a local current-time formation of matter that exists only in 
interaction with another form of matter).  The laws of continuity (Thirdness) 
need not have any part in these two modes of organization.

   

  Indeed, the reality of these two modes provides the vital potentiality for 
chance, for innovation, for the development of novel biological species, for 
the testing of adaptations and so on. Thirdness, or the mode of habits and 
continuity, would prevent such freedoms.

   

  Edwina
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