Supplement: But I like this triad "experience, representation, materiality", and the way it categorically inverts due to perspective change: ERM-RME-MER are inversions, like those of a musical trichord, eg C major: CEG-EGC-GCE. A similar thing there is with case-reason-result in Peirces example with the beans from a bag, when it is about abduction, induction, deduction. I think, this is interesting.
Adrian, Eugene, list,
I agree with Eugene, that in semiotic terms it is not possible to just so assign "materiality" with one of the categories. Assignment depends on what sign it is, i.e. what the situation is. I tentatively propose three types of situation or point of view concerning a piece of art, in this case a painting: The point of view of the picture, the artist and the viewer. From the point of view of the picture, better: Regarding the picture as a thing, I would say, that firstness is the possibility of application, that is the fact, that the thing may be experienced as a picture. Secondness is the form, the shapes of colours, that is a result of representation. Thirdness is the structure of the thing, that is materaility: Pigments, binder, canvas, frame. So, from the picture as a thing it is: ERM. Now, from the artists perspective it is: Firstness is a representation of something the artist has in her/his mind, secondness is the material he/she is using to depict it, and thirdness is the experience of a result: A successful work accomplished. This is RME. From the perspective of the viewer it is the material picture working as a representamen (first), the viewers experience connecting it with an object (second), and seeing it represent some thoughts and feelings (thirdness), so it is MER. If one does not agree with these proposals, at least it may be possible to agree with that easy assignment of ontological elements to categories or sign elements is not possible.
Best,
Helmut
 
 09. Februar 2016 um 19:13 Uhr
 "Eugene Halton" <[email protected]>
 

Dear Adrian,

            I also have had a long term interest in materiality and Peirce. My first book,The Meaning of Things, is a widely cited study of valued possessions in Chicago area households and discussion more generally of objects and meaning. I also continued those discussions in my book Meaning and Modernity, where a described, drawing from Peirce’s ideas, relationships with possessions as involving critical animism.

            I realize you are attempting to use Peirce loosely, which I understand can work for your purposes, and which I have also tried to do at times (and which is a different, but I think valid, direction from the intensely detailed discussions often found on this list). But in my opinion you make some assumptions I find incorrect, so I’d like to pose alternative interpretations.

You say, “…to have a handy triadic formula that would be useful for making sense of the eco-arts in ways that get beyond the customary overemphasis on representation in favor of experience (including affect) and materiality. Materiality deals with the stuff that’s just there (one element); experience involves a second — the artist, the reader or viewer, et al. (two); and representation makes sense and meaning of the stuff and its shapers and perceivers in real-world contexts (three); thus Peirce’s categories loosely fit.”

            To say that materiality “deals with stuff that’s just there” assumes too little about “just there,” as I see it. Peirce’s first element concerns varieties of the qualitative rather than such “materiality” per se. And his semiotic holds that even the dyanamical object, “… does not mean something out of the mind. It means something forced upon the mind in perception, but including more than perception reveals. It is an object of actual Experience” (Letters to Lady Welby, 1906). This might be useful for your attempt to include experience in making sense of eco-arts.

            You also separate materiality from representation, which I take as a “fallacy of misplaced concreteness,” in Whitehead’s terms. This seems to me to be both a common trend and fallacy today, the turn to materiality (which is fine) as though it is outside of representation, probably due to the varieties of etherealized sign theories in semiology and post-structuralism.  I commented briefly last summer on an article which did this, perhaps it would be useful: http://journal.transformativeworks.org/index.php/twc/comment/view/495/437/725

            I also mention briefly there my transposed use of Peirce’s three categories in Chapter 7 of The Meaning of Things, which may have some analogies to what you are attempting.

     Feel free to repost this on your blog if you would like to.

            Gene Halton

 
On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Adrian Ivakhiv <[email protected]> wrote:
Dear all:

I'm struggling with a way of tying Peirce's categories down to the 3 main elements by which we can make sense of art works: their materiality, our experience of them, and their meanings. Putting it that way suggests one ordering, but a deeper thinking through of the process (and nonlinear) nature of the categories suggests another. I'm interested in gauging what Peircians may think. I'd appreciate any comments directly on the web site below:

http://blog.uvm.edu/aivakhiv/2016/02/09/rethinking-the-3-categories/

Thanks!



 

Rethinking the 3 categories

February 9, 2016 by Adrian J Ivakhiv

I’ve been struggling with how my triadic framework for interpreting art works relates to C. S. Peirce’s categories.

When I first developed my triadism (fleshed out in Ecologies of the Moving Image) into the non-Peircian terms of materiality, experience, and representation — which I did in the context of teaching a course on the environmental arts — I loosely considered the first of these to be analogous to Peircian firstness, the second to secondness, and the third to thirdness.

The point, in my teaching, was not to adhere strictly to Peirce, since my students weren’t studying him, but just to have a handy triadic formula that would be useful for making sense of the eco-arts in ways that get beyond the customary overemphasis on representation in favor of experience (including affect) andmateriality. Materiality deals with the stuff that’s just there (one element); experience involves a second — the artist, the reader or viewer, et al. (two); and representation makes sense and meaning of the stuff and its shapers and perceivers in real-world contexts (three); thus Peirce’s categories loosely fit. Whether students got the Peirce or not, they could follow that.

But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that this way of ordering the three may be un-Peircian. Or at least that there was a second way of connecting it to Peirce that was sufficiently different from the first and had important consequences.

Let me break it down here.

To continue reading, go to
http://blog.uvm.edu/aivakhiv/2016/02/09/rethinking-the-3-categories/

 
 

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