Clark, List:

CG:  I agree that this definitely tends to make nominalism self-refuting
which I see as a problem rather than a strength.


A problem for nominalism or for realism?  Is it legitimate for a nominalist
to deny that holding everything real to be singular is self-contradictory,
on the grounds that singularity is not a property?  (I am having that very
argument with a self-professed nominalist in another context right now.)

CG:   I assume he’s somewhat platonic about mathematical objects. That is
more akin to Godel than the logicists or the constructivists. Yet honestly
if someone told me he was a logicist or a constructivist I’d not be at all
shocked either.


I am not that familiar with the alternatives, but Christopher Hookway,
Matthew Moore, and others seem to think that his views--especially his
emphasis on diagrammatic reasoning--are closest to mathematical
structuralism.  As with other sciences, he was more interested in the *methods
*of mathematicians than the *objects *of their investigations.

Regards,

Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA
Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman
www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt

On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:56 PM, Clark Goble <cl...@lextek.com> wrote:
>
> On Jan 7, 2017, at 6:52 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt <jonalanschm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> With reference to individuals, I shall only remark that there are certain
> general terms whose objects can only be in one place at one time, and these
> are called individuals.  They are generals that is, not singulars, because
> these latter occupy neither time nor space, but can only be at one point
> and can only be at one date. (W2:180-181; 1868)
>
> Peirce noted here that "the character of singularity" is itself a general,
> which seems to render nominalism--the view that everything real is
> singular, so nothing real is general--effectively self-refuting.  He
> defined an individual as a collection of singulars joined across places and
> times, which is thus general when taken as a whole.  Furthermore, *absolute
> *singulars are "mere ideals," such that (ironically) an individual is
> really a *continuum *as Peirce came to understand that concept decades
> later.  Consequently, anything that we cognize *about *individuals is 
> *necessarily
> *general, rather than singular.
>
> I agree that this definitely tends to make nominalism self-refuting which
> I see as a problem rather than a strength.
>
> While I’m not quite sure how to deal with this issue, I suspect that this
> arises out of Peirce’s conception of infinity as opposed to say Cantor’s.
> Peirce thinks through it by division while Cantor tends to think through it
> in terms of sets of individuals. Since for Peirce any ‘individual’ is
> formed from two cuts, that implies a line that can itself be further cut.
> It’s really not set theory.
>
> I’m not sure how Peirce viewed number theory or even how much he knew of
> it given how much is from the 20th century. Certainly his father Benjamin
> Peirce had worked on the roots of number theory. If we think of number
> theory to arithmetic of integers in terms of sets that would appear to lead
> to thinking of individuals not as a collection of singulars.
>
> I did some Googling, since this is an area of Peirce’s thought I’m
> ignorant on. He did write on number theory in the paper “Logical Studies of
> the Theory of Numbers” around 1890. That paper seems to be somewhat similar
> to what Hilbert later did (his 10th problem). That is he was looking for an
> algorithm that would tell us if there are proofs. He thought we should do
> this by reducing equations to boolean algebra but that appears to merely be
> a hypothesis of what one might be able to do.
>
> I couldn’t find an online copy of that paper. The closest was this
> discussion of the paper by Irving Anellis.
>
> http://www.iupui.edu/~arisbe/menu/library/aboutcsp/ANELLIS/csp&hilbert.pdf
>
> I’ll confess right up that I just am not at all sure how Peirce viewed
> mathematics. Given my own background in mathematics this is pretty
> embarrassing as you’d think I’d know something about this. I assume he’s
> somewhat platonic about mathematical objects. That is more akin to Godel
> than the logicists or the constructivists. Yet honestly if someone told me
> he was a logicist or a constructivist I’d not be at all shocked either.
> Those seem just as likely a way to conceive of in his philosophy, although
> he’d probably then argue that the structures of constructure or logic are
> themselves real independent of human thought as possibilities.
>
> Going back to infinity along with Cantor and Dedekind, Peirce asserted
> that Dedekind’s cut actually came from Peirce. Apparently before publishing
> on that Peirce had sent Dedekind a paper on such approaches. In contrast to
> their approaches Peirce saw a problem that needed to be solved. (Relating
> to the other thread, this suggests that he was thinking along metaphysical
> lines in what we’d today call modal realism) That is Peirce saw the issue
> tied to the logic of possibility. Peirce saw their approach as “inchoate”
> which brings to mind that quote on metaphysics we’ve been discussing in the
> other thread.
>
> Generality is, indeed, an indispensable ingredient of reality; for mere
> individual existence or actuality without any regularity whatever is a
> nullity. Chaos is pure nothing. (“What Pragmatism Is,” CP 5.431 1905)
>
> The continuum is a General. It is a General of a relation. Every General
> is a continuum vaguely defined. (“Letter to E. H. Moore,” NEM 3.925 1902)
>
> Continuity, as generality, is inherent in potentiality, which is
> essentially general. (...) The original potentiality is essentially
> continuous, or general.
> (“Detached Ideas on Vitally Important Topics,” CP 6.204-5 1908)
>
> The possible is general, and continuity and generality are two names for
> the same absence of distinction of individuals. (“Multitude and Number,” CP
> 4.172 1897)
>
> A perfect continuum belongs to the genus, of a whole all whose parts
> without any exception whatsoever conform to one general law to which same
> law conform likewise all the parts of each single part. Continuity is thus
> a special kind of generality, or conformity to one Idea. More specifically,
> it is a homogeneity, or generality among all of a certain kind of parts of
> one whole. Still more specifically, the characters which are he same in all
> the parts are a certain kind of relationship of each part to all the
> coordinate parts; that is, it is a regularity. (“Some Amazing Mazes,” CP
> 7.535 note 6 1908)
>
> The key to Peirce’s metaphysics which seems wrapped up in these
> investigation of continuity and the metaphysics of individualism is the
> idea that *to be* requires a repetition which demands that it not be
> singular in a strong sense.
>
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