Gary f., list,
"self-control is reasonableness": This reminds me of Kants critique of pure reason, if you replace "self-control" with autonomy. So- is there always if not to say a war, a competition between the individual´s autonomy, and heteronomy, that is between self-control and other-control? Between the acephal wildness of the hunter-gatherer- community, and the supersystem´s attempt to tame, compose, and classify the shrewd?
I think, there is two ways of classification or self-control: The enriching (taxonomy) and the deprivating (typology) one. An autonomous individual will always choose the enriching kind, the natural kind of classification: E.g. choose a profession, e.g. farmer, but by keeping all human traits and rights. But a composed society (with division of domination and labor) will deny him these rights, and try to make him not a farmer, but a dependant peasant, stripped of some essential human rights. This is deprivated classification due to composition. The reason is, that classification and composition are hierarchies that go in opposite directions (See Stanley N. Salthe´s paper: "Salthe ´12 Axiomathes"). There can be only one tree structure: The power composition tree (king, ministers, ... peasants), or the classification tree, which would be about humans and their different kinds of cooperation. So I think, there is the basics of human tragedy based on logic. To see it would to be able to deal with it, but it is not easy.
Best,
Helmut
 
02. Oktober 2017 um 03:25 Uhr
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Eric (and list),

 

I don’t believe that Peirce is making an empirical claim here, i.e. he is not claiming that his generalization is true because it is based on observation of a large sample of individuals. He is making a cenoscopic claim, i.e. describing his own experience and assuming that everyone else’s experience of self-control (if they have any) is at least vaguely similar. He is asking you to reflect on your own experience of self-control and decide for yourself whether it more or less fits his description, and hoping that you will go along with him on that basis.

 

You say that there are “some people who feel compelled to make their lives less reasonable.” But if I understand Peirce’s concept of “reasonable” rightly, he would find that a contradiction in terms. Any attempt to make your life have any definite quality, whether you feel “compelled” to it or not, is an attempt at self-control, because it entails judging how well your past conduct has measured up to some standard and resolving to make your future conduct approach that standard. Making your life less reasonable would be like making yourself go to sleep — the harder you try, the further you get from your goal. In a sense, self-control is reasonableness — reasoning is essentially the method of self-control.

 

We should also bear in mind that, in Peirce’s words, “self-control of any kind is purely inhibitory. It originates nothing” (EP2:233). We often think of “self-control” as if it were opposed to spontaneity of action, but Peirce thought of it as harnessing the core impulses that originate our activity and guiding our instinctive motivations toward actualization of some admirable ideal. That tends to transform a life into a continuous process, one that moves in some direction instead of taking a random walk.

 

That would mean that if you are born to be wild, as Gene put it, reasonable self-control would not domesticate you but inhibit the impulses toward domestication that would otherwise tame you, and thus channel your wildness more effectively!

 

Gary f.

 

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From: Eric Charles [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 1-Oct-17 20:01

 

Coming in late, but....

I'm never quite sure what to think when Peirce starts making (seemingly) flippant claims about the universal nature of men's psychological states. At the end here, he says:

"That is, the man can, or if you please is compelled, to make his life more reasonable. "

It seems to me that such a claim is either vacuous or a false generalization.

It is vacuous if, whatever someone does, we make it an a priori truism that the action is directed at making his life more reasonable. And if we are not making such an a priori move, then any concerted effort at empirical investigation will reveal that there are people who do not feel so compelled, including some people who feel compelled to make their lives less reasonable.

I'd really appreciate any help with this that others could offer. Is Peirce trying to a make an empirical claim here, or not? If he is, with what evidence? If he is not, then what is it he is trying to do?

Many thanks!

 

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