John,
Thank you for your, as usual, astute observations and for the links to your papers, which I gresatly look forward to reading. Peter ________________________________ From: Ben Novak <trevriz...@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 2:35:58 PM To: John F Sowa Cc: PEIRCE-L Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Nativity scenes Dear John F. Sowa: You write in your email of 30 Dec., at 11:45 am: Ben > I have long been wondering why there is so little discussion > of relating Peirce's concepts and methodologies to concrete > examples, or other 20th and even 21st century thinkers. >> I strongly with that criticism. Regarding this, it seems something is missing--agree? disagree? Kindly advise: Ben Novak Ben Novak 5129 Taylor Drive, Ave Maria, FL 34142 Telephone: (814) 808-5702 "All art is mortal, not merely the individual artifacts, but the arts themselves. One day the last portrait of Rembrandt and the last bar of Mozart will have ceased to be—though possibly a colored canvas and a sheet of notes may remain—because the last eye and the last ear accessible to their message will have gone." Oswald Spengler On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 11:45 AM, John F Sowa <s...@bestweb.net<mailto:s...@bestweb.net>> wrote: Ben, Helmut, Peter, and Edwina, Ben I have long been wondering why there is so little discussion of relating Peirce's concepts and methodologies to concrete examples, or other 20th and even 21st century thinkers. I strongly with that criticism. To understand Peirce's writings and their implications, five kinds of studies are important: 1. Analyze the development of his thought by relating his many publications and his many more unpublished manuscripts. 2. Relate his writings to his sources in various fields from the ancient Greeks to the latest developments of his day. 3. Analyze the effects of his work on his contemporaries and successors. 4. Analyze developments in the 20th and 21st centuries that could have been improved if the developers had studied Peirce. 5. Compare Peirce's methods for analyzing the world and how we talk and act in and about it to the methods used by other philosophers, past and present. Ben All [Peter] asked was the relevance of Peirce's semiotics to a presently existing symbolic representation. Helmut whether the picture/diorama is insufficient of being analyzed with Peirce, or Peirce´s theory is insufficient, because it does not cover this example. Peter I tend to agree with those who have opined that there is just not much to be said, from a Peircean point of view, about this analogy. I agree with Peter that a pre-theoretical literary analysis is sufficient to determine the intentions of the people who designed the scene and the implications they wanted to express. Peirce's semiotic could carry the analysis to a deeper level. But that would require a 20-pages of details, not a short email note. Edwina I ... tend to run from many of the philosophical discussions that dominate this list. My focus is on biosemiotics and the societal system as a complex adaptive system - which does function within the Peircean triad. I agree that examples from biosemiotics, societal systems, and complex adaptive systems would be far more useful than the nativity scene for understanding all five issues above. Re philosophical discussions: My major interest in Peirce was originally stimulated by and continues to be focused on points 3 to 5 above, but I also found that 1 and 2 are important for understanding 3 to 5. For some of those issues, see my article "Peirce's contributions to the 21st century": http://jfsowa.com/pubs/csp21st.pdf<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__jfsowa.com_pubs_csp21st.pdf&d=DwMFaQ&c=lqHimbpwJeF7VTDNof4ddl8H-RbXeAdbMI2MFE1TXqA&r=FDb_MiuBhz-kalFUhg0uAyMl7SzpVFxovBRZ5FwNBJY&m=ZXfQOL5I9nKSKI3Di-Xgr-QC8scaHRiYWwMZMOfUKS8&s=X4HLkaZKLIiPhsTsR8XZRUc2Bg_3f7rcwqQ1vFwJrgQ&e=> Re logic: Before I discovered Peirce, I had learned 20th c logic from the so-called "mainstream" of a Frege-Russell-Carnap- Quine-Kripke-Montague perspective. What led me to Peirce were the criticisms of that mainstream by Whitehead, Wittgenstein, and linguists who recognized that there is more to language than Montagovian "formal semantics". 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