Reality is real and the real ultimately is reality and we know it only in part as Paul inferred but perhaps then face to face. The amount of ink explaining this sans understanding is prodigious. Peirce got religion in a Manhattan Episcopal Church a few blocks from where I sit. He also wandered in despair up and down Fifth Avenue nursing multiple rejections and other humiliations. But he kept on keeping on as do we all.
amazon.com/author/stephenrose On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Edwina Taborsky <[email protected]> wrote: > Hey, John - you forgot: Happy Mother's Day. > > [mutter, mutter, seethe, fume...if my kids ever did that..mutter, mutter]. > > By the way - I fully agree with your comments. I think it is bordering on > the ridiculous to declare that because someone says: > > "I believe in God'..that this means that 'God is Real'..and that this > person is also a theist...[That's a reverse and invalid Argument]...\\ > > ..and then, when asked to define the term. people.come up with a multitude > of descriptions which differ from those of other people - So, we cannot > conclude, as some would like to conclude: That God is Real. Nor can we > conclude that these people are all 'theists'. > > That's what the 'Five Ways' was meant to deal with; the different > subjective descriptions of the term 'God'. It certainly set up the > Authoritative definition of the Church, but as purely rhetorical it > doesn't, in my view, have any validity as an Argument. > > So- I think it remains; belief in God is subjective and the definition of > God is equally subjective. Therefore - to move from the subjective to the > objective [ie to declare that God is Real]...can't be done. > > Edwina > > > > On Sun 13/05/18 9:41 AM , John F Sowa [email protected] sent: > > On 5/13/2018 8:50 AM, John Collier wrote: > > I am afraid I do not find these arguments coherent with anything > > I was taught to be God. > > I recall a survey some years ago in which the interviewers asked > people two questions: (1) Do you believe in God? (2) How would > you describe God? > > What they found: No two people described God in the same way. > The descriptions by believers and non-believers showed the same > amount of variation. And from the way God was described, they > couldn't reliably distinguish believers from non-believers. > > This was not a statistically reliable survey. And very few > of the people they surveyed had studied any philosophical > or theological arguments. > > But from my own experience, I find it convincing. And from hearing > or reading what people who have studied philosophy or theology say, > I suspect that the results would have been the same, independently > of how much they had thought, read, or studied. > > Happy Sunday, Sabbath, Meditation Day, or Picnic Day to all, > > John > > > > > > ----------------------------- > PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to > [email protected] . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L > but to [email protected] with the line "UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L" in the > BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm > . > > > > > >
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