Dear Edwina Jon list:
It’s happening again. Doesn’t Peirce give us the prescription to end this kind of interminable arguing? If so, then *quid sit deus*? "Oh, I now realize you always knew this. But I've just come to recognize how central the question *'Quid sit deus?' * is." With best wishes, Jerry R On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 12:48 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt <jonalanschm...@gmail.com > wrote: > Helmut, List: > > As I have pointed out before, Peirce was definitely *not *a pantheist or > panentheist, as I understand those terms. > > CSP: … Who, out of Nothing, less than a blank, is creating all three > Universes of experience. I do *not *mean, then, a "soul of the World" or > an intelligence is "immanent" in Nature, but is the Creator of the three > Universes of minds, of matter, and of ideal possibilities, and of > everything in them. (R 843:11[1]) > > CSP: Indeed, meaning by "God," as throughout this paper will be meant, > the Being whose Attributes are, in the main, those usually ascribed to Him, > Omniscience, Omnipotence, Infinite Benignity, a Being *not *"immanent in" > the Universes of Matter, Mind, and Ideas, but the Sole Creator of every > content of them without exception … (R 843:18&20[1-2]) > > CSP: But I had better add that I do *not *mean by God a being merely > "immanent in Nature," but I mean that Being who has created every content > of the world of ideal possibilities, of the world of physical facts, and > the world of all minds, without any exception whatever. (R 843:25[4]) > > > In each case, the emphasis on "not" is Peirce's in the original > manuscript, so he evidently wanted to be very clear about this. > > Regards, > > Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA > Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman > www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt > > On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 4:56 PM, Helmut Raulien <h.raul...@gmx.de> wrote: > >> Edwina, Gary, list, >> I think the NA is a mixture of incomplete, perhaps circular, arguments, >> and a priori, similar to Anselm´s (though Anselm thought his argument was >> valid). To decide whether this mixture makes Peirce a theist or not is not >> easy, but I think that many others, who call themselves theists, neither >> would say that they have a complete and correct argument for doing so. >> Also, the term "theist" is not clear, because a pantheist would call >> her/himself a theist, as the word suggests, but a dogmatic theist would >> probably call a pantheist an atheist. So, if (only if) for example Peirce >> was a pantheist (or panentheist), it would both be true calling him a >> theist and a non-theist, depending on from which point of view. >> Was Peirce a pantheist or panentheist? Even if he did not explicitly say >> that the mind of the universe is the mind of God (Universe = God, >> pantheism), or the quasi-mind of the universe is a part of the mind of God >> (Universe = part of God, panentheism), somebody else might argue: Mind is >> what makes a person, so why not call the quasi-mind of the universe God (or >> a part of God)? Though this argument only works within pan(en)theism, as >> other theists would miss the causal creational aspect. They also believe in >> God as the "unmoved mover", but Peirce´s Tychism rather suggests that he is >> a moved mover. But Tychism is not based on arguments either I think, just >> on abduction from small scale to biggest possible scale. >> Best, >> Helmut >> > > > ----------------------------- > PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to > peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L > but to l...@list.iupui.edu with the line "UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L" in the > BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm > . > > > > > >
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