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}John, list:
With regard to your post of today, in which you reference your
slides on
The Virtual Reality of the Mind :
http://jfsowa.com/talks/vrmind.pdf [1]
And in particular, slide #61, which is an outline of the "Neural
correlates of Firstness, Secondness and Thirdness", where you write:
"Perception is based on localized percepts or prototypes. It
classifies phenomena by the monadic predicates of Firstness.
Long-distance connections in the parietal lobes support dyadic
relations that connect all sensory and motor modalities.
They represent the structures of Secondness.
The frontal lobes process the mediating Thirdness in reasoning,
planning, causality and intentionality.".
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I can't reproduce the images - they'd take up too much space - but I
can see from the images that you refer to each of these Peircean
categories taking place in a different part of the brain.
But, when you refer to 'long-distance connections' - do you mean
long-distance as in the sense of Another Body external to this Body?
How is this differentiated from your description of the process of
Firstness - "based on localized percepts or prototypes". That is -
isn't a 'localized percept' a sensory input? Am I misunderstanding
what you mean by this? Or, are you saying that the sensory and motor
modalities are defined as actions of Secondness, while those of
Firstness are.....?
I can understand Thirdness in your images. My problem is only with
your outline of Firstness!
Edwina
On Sat 18/08/18 2:00 PM , John F Sowa [email protected] sent:
Edwina and Gary R,
I agree with Gary that these issues go far beyond the scope of
Peirce-L. I was just about to send the following points to the
thread about the Luzon hominins. Then I'll get to the new issues.
On 8/18/2018 10:59 AM, Edwina Taborsky wrote:
> I think a sailboat and navigation requires a completely different
> cognitive process than a stone tool.
There are many kinds of stone tools. Australopithecus (3.3 mya)
made crude stone tools. Homo habilis had the better Oldowan
tools. Homo erectus had far better tools. And the Polynesians
used stone tools to build sailboats that could navigate the Pacific.
https://www.nature.com/news/2007/070927/full/news070924-9.html [2]
Interesting point: That article about early hominins in Luzon
left open the question whether they were Homo erectus or Denisovan.
But note: "Aboriginal Australians, Pacific Islanders carry DNA of
unknown human species, research analysis suggests":
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-26/dna-of-extinct-human-species-pacific-islanders-analysis-suggests/7968950
[3]
> I am aware that Gary R suggested a moratorium on such
discussion...
> but I feel that research on these issues in other areas might be
> of interest to some members of the list.
I agree with you and Gary. I'll just cite my slides on "The virtual
reality of the mind": http://jfsowa.com/talks/vrmind.pdf [4]
> These two types of action; the physical and the mental - are very
> different in their natures - but both types are required in the
> biological world.
But I would replace the distinction physical/mental with
perceptual/cognitive. The article by Brincat et al. talks about
the progression from sensory to task-related processing. That
progression is very closely related to another study I discuss
in slides 49 and 50 of vrmind.pdf. The URL at the bottom of
slide 49 points to the full article, which I highly recommend.
Then on slide 61, I repeat the same diagram as slide 50, but
this time I discuss it in terms of Peirce's 1ns, 2ns, and 3ns.
There are 117 slides in vrmind.pdf, and I agree with Gary that
any discussion would quickly go beyond the scope of Peirce-L.
John
Links:
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[1] http://jfsowa.com/talks/vrmind.pdf
[2]
http://webmail.primus.ca/parse.php?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nature.com%2Fnews%2F2007%2F070927%2Ffull%2Fnews070924-9.html
[3]
http://webmail.primus.ca/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abc.net.au%2Fnews%2F2016-10-26%2Fdna-of-extinct-human-species-pacific-islanders-analysis-suggests%2F7968950
[4]
http://webmail.primus.ca/parse.php?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fjfsowa.com%2Ftalks%2Fvrmind.pdf
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