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}Jon, list
You wrote: "Notice, though, that the book corresponds to the Sign,
rather than to either the Object or the Interpretant--which makes
sense, since a book is a medium for the communication of a text from
one person to another, and a Sign is a medium for the communication
of a Form from an Object to an Interpretant."
Here - I will continue to differ. I consider that the book is not
understood here as a 'medium for the communication of a text from one
person to another'. In this situation, the book could be a doll or a
handkerchief. It's an Object which is being given by Sue to child,
and in my view, the act of giving, as held by Sue, is the
Representamen or mediation.
Edwina
On Fri 19/04/19 1:40 PM , Jon Alan Schmidt [email protected]
sent:
Edwina, List:
Giving and representing/mediating are both triadic relations, but
they are not the same triadic relation; in fact, they are not even
isomorphic triadic relations. I suppose that instead we can compare
giving to determining, which better reflects "the flow of causation"
in semeiosis--Sue stands in the relation of giving, of a book, to a
child; the Object stands in the relation of determining, of a Sign,
to an Interpretant.
This treats determining as triadic, rather than dyadic, consistent
with Peirce's definition that a Sign "is both determined by the
object relatively to the interpretant, and determines the
interpretant in reference to the object, in such wise as to cause the
interpretant to be determined by the object through the mediation of
this 'sign'" (EP 2:410; 1907). Notice, though, that the book
corresponds to the Sign, rather than to either the Object or the
Interpretant--which makes sense, since a book is a medium for the
communication of a text from one person to another, and a Sign is a
medium for the communication of a Form from an Object to an
Interpretant.
Regards,
Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USAProfessional Engineer, Amateur
Philosopher, Lutheran Layman www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt [1] -
twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt [2]
On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 10:35 AM Edwina Taborsky wrote:
John, list
What if one were to diagram your suggestion of: Sue gives child a
book - into
DO=book....which is then transformed from its identity and domain [a
bookstore], by the semiosic action of the triadic Sign, as held by the
Representamen-and-its action, which is: Sue-Who-Gives into
DI= book, which is now in a different domain and identity: that of
the Child [who is also a semiosic triad which includes a
Representamen].
Edwina
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