Edwina, In your take at the matter a 'networked interactive community' and índividuals interacting' seem to me not to be on the same plane. I am inclined to see the first as a 3.3 and the second as a 3.2.
And, your 3.1 'mimetic population' is if taken as a sign aspect iconicity, which is in basic semiotics of categorical value 2.1 so if lifted to belong at bottom to thirdness a 3.2.1. if government only offers suggestive (rheme 3.1) examples, individuals in the populace are left to decide on their own. Since member of society and governemt are to be regarded as signs, we are able to at least look at the matter from three perspectives for each. Sign in itself, sign in relation to iets object and sign as it adrfresses its interpreting sign. Auke Op 7 april 2020 om 16:58 schreef Edwina Taborsky <[email protected]>: > > Auke > > Governance, if we want to use a Peircean category to analyze it, would > always have to be within the mode of Thirdness. > > Now- whether the governing mode is 3-1 [Thirdness operating in a mode of > Firstness, which sets up a mimetic population] ; or 3-2, [Thirdness operating > in a mode of Secondness] which sets up a networked interactive population > [ie, individuals interacting]; or 3-3 [Thirdness operating in a mode of > Thirdness] - which is pure ideology detached from a population - well, I > think we could analyze such a framework. Not easy of course. > > But the article did not deal with the categories in this way; instead, it > simply too each category 'in itself' and judged how it would operate as the > guiding principle of a society. I disagree with such a tactic for the reasons > I already gave. > > Edwina > > > > On Tue 07/04/20 10:10 AM , Auke van Breemen [email protected] sent: > > > > > > Edwina, list, > > > > I feel inclined to give a less unfavorite response to the > > suggestion, although the way of putting things is too crude. > > > > if we want to look at diferent kinds of governments from a > > categorical perspective. The first thing we must admid is that always the > > categorical distinction must be taken in a relative way, i.e. it is about a > > firstness, secondness and thirdness aspect of a third. > > > > If taken in this way we could design a Trikon (taken as a ternary > > plot), dealing with control in society. First monad is self control or > > anarchy, second node is complete control or dictatorship and the third is > > representive government with free elections. > > > > Now, it is immediately evident that all governments we score on the > > trikon partake in all three aspects but differ in the mixture. > > > > With respect to the pandemic, we must accept that at this moment we > > cannot say which type of political response proves best. What we can do is > > wait for the results, investigate the measures taken and associate them > > with a score on the Trikon. And next look at the consequences each of the > > governments harvested. > > > > But all that is stuff to be discussed on the list and elsewhere. I > > guess the main intent after the message was: in harsh times people are > > inclined to look after each other, lets not forget keeping doing that once > > the cirsis is resolved. I symphatize with that. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Auke van Breemen > > > > > > > > Op 7 april 2020 om 14:44 schreef Edwina Taborsky : > > > > > > </[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > I disagree completely with this politicization of the > > > Peircean categories. I consider that is shows a complete misunderstanding > > > of the categories. I won't comment on the, what I feel are incorrect, > > > political references. Just the description of the categories. > > > > > > I disagree that Firstness can be compared to 'capitalism' > > > which is, after all, an economic system based around the individual > > > freedom of private enterprise; I disagree that Firstness refers only to > > > the individual 'I' and even 'should' disappear. > > > > > > All three categories in the Peircean framework are necessary > > > categories and none of them should be reduced or are 'privileged'. > > > > > > Edwina > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon 06/04/20 10:37 PM , Gary Richmond > > > [email protected] sent: > > > > > > > > > > List, > > > > > > > > Below is a brief report which the distinguished > > > > Colombian scholar, Professor Fernando Zalamea ( Universidad Nacional de > > > > Colombia) , Coordinator of the G rupo de Estudios Peirceano , prepared > > > > at the request of the Colombian Ministry of Science concerning the > > > > coronavirus pandemic. It was first published late in March, 2020. > > > > > > > > The report was recently featured in a Spanish scholarly > > > > newsletter, edited by Professors Jaime Nubiola, Sara Barrena, Izaskun > > > > Martínez, who commented that the report " muestra de manera práctica > > > > cómo el pensamiento de Charles S. Peirce ayuda a pensar situaciones tan > > > > dramáticas como la presente" ("shows in a practical way how the thought > > > > of Charles S. Peirce helps in thinking about situations as dramatic as > > > > the present one.") > > > > > > > > Here follows the brief report, first in Spanish and > > > > then in my (rough) English translation (please refer to the original > > > > Spanish version). GR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Breve texto sobre la pandemia desde una > > > > > perspectiva triádica peirceana. > > > > > > > > > > Fernando Zalamea > > > > > > > > > > Universidad Nacional de Colombia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > En la arquitectónica del saber según Charles > > > > > Sanders Peirce (USA, 1839-1914), tres categorías universales > > > > > gobiernan los fenómenos: primeridad (lo que es en tanto tal, > > > > > predicado monádico), segundidad (lo que es en tanto se correlaciona > > > > > con otro, relación binaria) y terceridad (lo que es en tanto sirve > > > > > de mediación en una polaridad, relación ternaria). Un caso particular > > > > > de estas categorías se refiere a la sintaxis (lenguaje), la semántica > > > > > (modelos) y la pragmática (transferencias). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > En el caso actual de la pandemia que vive el > > > > > mundo (abril 2020), sobresalen algunos aspectos centrales desde un > > > > > punto de vista filosófico, metodológico y matemático. Ante todo, > > > > > resalta (A) la universalidad del fenómeno: rompe con cualquier tipo > > > > > de distinción nacional y con cualquier tipo de estratificación > > > > > social. A todos afecta y todos la sufren. Por supuesto, los más > > > > > vulnerables (económica o físicamente) la sufrirán más, pero la > > > > > pandemia cubre un espectro social muy amplio. Es plenamente tercera > > > > > en el sentido de Peirce y media entre todos los seres humanos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Esto conlleva unas directrices éticas básicas, > > > > > que ojalá sirvan en el futuro para construir sociedades más > > > > > equilibradas, allende el capitalismo salvaje (primeridad exacerbada) > > > > > que ha venido destruyendo el mundo en las últimas décadas. No es > > > > > ningún azar que los populistas tipo Trump, Bolsonaro o Johnson hayan > > > > > querido reducir la importancia del fenómeno. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > La primera directriz es la importancia de luchar > > > > > contra el egoísmo: la terceridad y la universalidad conllevan un > > > > > darse a los demás, un pensar allende singularidades aisladas > > > > > (primeridad). Es fascinante observar cómo el “yo”, un “en-sí” de > > > > > muchas maneras repugnante, desaparece a favor del “en-múltiple”, de > > > > > las redes de apoyo entre los individuos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > La segunda directriz, correlacionada > > > > > estrechamente con la primera, es la importancia de ser solidarios: > > > > > cuidarnos a nosotros mismos es cuidar de los demás, y viceversa (de > > > > > ahí el valor de los confinamientos). Dentro de esa línea solidaria, > > > > > es hermoso ver cómo, en tiempos de dolor y de crisis, las > > > > > comunidades se ayudan entre sí para superar duras condiciones de > > > > > subsistencia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Luego, sobresale (B) la integralidad sintética > > > > > del fenómeno. Allende la arbitrariedad de las informaciones y los > > > > > abusos del lenguaje (caso paradigmático, USA), la única solución > > > > > posible parece ser una actuación colectiva correlativa (pragmática), > > > > > donde todas las partes, desde los individuos hasta las instituciones, > > > > > trabajen mancomunadamente hacia un fin bien definido. Acá se observa > > > > > la importancia de actuaciones coherentes a nivel de mandatorios > > > > > locales, como el Gobernador Cuomo en New York, o como la alcadesa > > > > > López en Bogotá. En esos casos, las directrices están bien > > > > > estructuradas (terceridad, a favor de todos), aunque muchos > > > > > individuos indisciplinados (primeridad) rompan el patrón trazado. Los > > > > > centenares de miles de muertos que se avecinan en USA serán el > > > > > trágico ejemplo de una actuación profundamente insolidaria. Al > > > > > opuesto, el cuidado colectivo conseguido en Taiwan debería ser tomado > > > > > como modelo a seguir. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Como se ve, un uso elemental de las categorías > > > > > peirceanas nos lleva a pensar en el bien común, muy por encima del > > > > > bien individual. Es una cuestión de supervivencia. Ojalá las > > > > > tragedias que produzca la pandemia sirvan a las nuevas generaciones > > > > > para orientar mejor el futuro, un porvenir que debe pasar ante todo > > > > > por el aprecio múltiple de los demás, para solo llegar luego al > > > > > bienestar de los individuos. > > > > > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brief report on the pandemic from a Peircean triadic > > > > perspective. > > > > Fernando Zalamea > > > > National University of Colombia > > > > > > > > In the architecture of knowledge of Charles Sanders > > > > Peirce (USA, 1839-1914), three universal categories govern the > > > > phenomena: firstness (what is as such, monadic predicate), secondness > > > > (what is insofar as it correlates with another, relationship binary) > > > > and thirdness (which is insofar as it mediates a polarity, a ternary > > > > relationship). A particular case of these categories refers to syntax > > > > (language), semantics (models) and pragmatics (transferences, > > > > transactions?) > > > > > > > > In the current case of the world pandemic (April 2020), > > > > some central aspects stand out from a philosophical, methodological and > > > > mathematical point of view. Above all, (A) it highlights the > > > > universality of the phenomenon: it breaks with any type of national > > > > distinction and with any type of social stratification. It affects > > > > everyone and everyone suffers it. Of course, the most vulnerable > > > > (financially or physically) will suffer the most, but the pandemic > > > > covers a very broad social spectrum. It is fully third in the Peirce > > > > sense of being in the midst of all human beings. > > > > > > > > This entails basic ethical guidelines, which hopefully > > > > will serve in the future to build more balanced societies, beyond the > > > > savage capitalism (exacerbated firstness) that has been destroying the > > > > world in recent decades. It is no coincidence that populists like > > > > Trump, Bolsonaro or Johnson have wanted to minimize the importance of > > > > the phenomenon. > > > > > > > > The first guideline is the importance of fighting > > > > against selfishness: thirdness and universality involve giving oneself > > > > to others, thinking beyond isolated singularities (firstness). It is > > > > fascinating to observe how the “I”, a repugnant “in-itself” in many > > > > ways, disappears in favor of the “multiple,” of the support networks > > > > between individuals. > > > > > > > > The second guideline, closely correlated with the > > > > first, is the importance of being supportive: caring for ourselves is > > > > caring for others, and vice versa (hence, the value of > > > > self-confinement). Within this line of solidarity, it is beautiful to > > > > see how, in times of pain and crisis, communities help each other to > > > > overcome harsh living conditions. > > > > > > > > Then, (B) the synthetic integrality of the phenomenon > > > > stands out. Beyond the arbitrariness of information and the abuse of > > > > language (paradigmatic case, USA), the only possible solution seems to > > > > be a correlative (pragmatic) collective action, where all parties, from > > > > individuals to institutions, work together towards a well-defined end > > > > result. Here we see the importance of coherent actions at the level of > > > > local high officials, such as Governor Cuomo in New York, or Mayor > > > > López in Bogotá. In these cases, the guidelines are well structured > > > > (third party, in everyone's favor), although many undisciplined > > > > individuals (first party) break the established pattern. The hundreds > > > > of thousands of deaths looming in the USA will be the tragic example of > > > > deeply unsupportive action. On the contrary, the collective care > > > > achieved in Taiwan should be taken as a role model. > > > > > > > > As can be seen, an elemental use of the Peircean > > > > categories leads us to think about the common good, far above the > > > > individual good. It is a matter of survival. 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