Jon, Gary,
Thank you!!
Gary, Helmut, List ...
Determination, along with the related concepts of constraint,
definition, form, structure, etc., are subjects of recurring
discussion. Here's a link to some readings I collected back
when I began approaching inference, information, inquiry, logic,
sign processes, sign relations, and all that from more dedicated
systems-theoretic and systems-engineering angles.
Readings On Determination
https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2016/04/11/readings-on-determination/
Regards,
Jon
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On 4/28/2020 8:52 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> Helmut, list,
>
> It’s no easy matter to get “clear with the whole determination thing” as it works in semiosis. It may (or may not) be helpful to think through my latest attempt to work it out: http://www.gnusystems.ca/TS/css.htm#x04 . It includes some links that you may need to follow in order to follow the argument.
>
> Gary f.
>
> From: Helmut Raulien <[email protected]> Sent: 28-Apr-20 04:46 To: [email protected] Cc: robert marty
> <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Peirce-L <[email protected]>; Jon Alan Schmidt
> <[email protected]> Subject: Aw: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: tree-structure
>
> Suppsupplement: I admit that I am not clear with the whole determination thing. I once have guessed, that there are
> three kinds, not two, of systems hierarchy: Composition (1ns), power (2ns), and classification (3ns). Maybe
> determination is this 2ns-thing, I had called power.
>
> The "missing link" between the object and the interpretant (Jon A.S. contradicts me about this) I thought provides
> time, as it only comes into being in a next sign, when the former interpretant is a sign and refers to the same
> object.
>
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Determination, along with the related concepts of constraint,
definition, form, structure, etc., are subjects of recurring
discussion. Here's a link to some readings I collected back
when I began approaching inference, information, inquiry, logic,
sign processes, sign relations, and all that from more dedicated
systems-theoretic and systems-engineering angles.
Readings On Determination
https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/2016/04/11/readings-on-determination/
Regards,
Jon
inquiry into inquiry: https://inquiryintoinquiry.com/
academia: https://independent.academia.edu/JonAwbrey
oeiswiki: https://www.oeis.org/wiki/User:Jon_Awbrey
facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/JonnyCache
On 4/28/2020 8:52 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> Helmut, list,
>
> It’s no easy matter to get “clear with the whole determination thing” as it works in semiosis. It may (or may not) be helpful to think through my latest attempt to work it out: http://www.gnusystems.ca/TS/css.htm#x04 . It includes some links that you may need to follow in order to follow the argument.
>
> Gary f.
>
> From: Helmut Raulien <[email protected]> Sent: 28-Apr-20 04:46 To: [email protected] Cc: robert marty
> <[email protected]>; [email protected]; Peirce-L <[email protected]>; Jon Alan Schmidt
> <[email protected]> Subject: Aw: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: tree-structure
>
> Suppsupplement: I admit that I am not clear with the whole determination thing. I once have guessed, that there are
> three kinds, not two, of systems hierarchy: Composition (1ns), power (2ns), and classification (3ns). Maybe
> determination is this 2ns-thing, I had called power.
>
> The "missing link" between the object and the interpretant (Jon A.S. contradicts me about this) I thought provides
> time, as it only comes into being in a next sign, when the former interpretant is a sign and refers to the same
> object.
>
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