Gary F, List, That's a good summary of what ADT wrote. But good examples are far more important than more jargon. I can't see any justification for ADT's jargon. GF: But De Tienne chooses to emphasize the primacy of mathematics, and thus presents positiveness as a result of a process that started with mathematics (form structures the dough, as he puts it. He calls the process secondization not only because it introduces the element of Secondness, I liked your cedar tree because it enables us to talk about concrete experience instead of jargon. In my earlier note I showed the huge amount of experience in your phaneron, of which the cedar tree was just a part. And no where did it show any need to go beyond mathematics. Can you or anybody else show what ADT is talking about in terms of the cedar tree? John
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