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Thanks for the quotations.
My view of De Tienne is that he is an idealist, separating Mind and
Matter. Each has their own 'scientific method' so to speak, but I've
no idea how they interact. This is very different from Peirce's
hylomorphism.
Edwina
On Thu 19/08/21 5:03 AM , robert marty robert.mart...@gmail.com
sent:
List,
No comment; submitted for all to examine. Expected response from
ADT supporters.
ADT >
• The actualization of firsts or possibilia includes the
actualization of a special form, which can be rendered into the term
positiveness, an abstraction resulting from positivization.
• THEREFORE, what follows mathematics in the order of the
classification of the sciences is a scientific activity that will
explore that resulting positiveness (or secondization).
CSP >
"I denominate the objects of this Universe Ideas, or
Possibles,although the latter designation does not imply capability
of actualization. On the contrary as a general rule, if not a
universal one, an Idea is incapable of perfect actualization on
account of its essential vagueness if for no other reason. For that
which is not subject to the principle of contradiction is essentially
vague. For example, geometrical figures belong to this Universe; now
since every such figure involves lines which can only be supposed to
exist as boundaries where three bodies come together, or to be the
place common to three bodies, and since the boundary of a solid or
liquid is merely the place at which its forces of cohesion are
neither very great nor very small, which is essentially vague, it is
plain that the idea is essentially vague or indefinite. Moreover,
suppose the three bodies that come together at a line are wood,
water, and air, then a whole space including this line is at every
point either wood, water, or air; and neither wood and water, nor
wood and air, nor water and air can together occupy any place. Then
plainly the principle of contradiction, were it applicable, would be
violated in the idea of a place where wood, water, and air, come
together. Similar antinomies affect all Ideas. We can only reason
about them in respects which the antinomies do not affect, and often
by arbitrarily assuming what upon closer examination is found to be
absurd. There is this much truth in Hegel's doctrine, although he is
frequently in error in applying the principle." (EP2 479) [emphasize
mine]
"But, further, although usually appearances are either only
confirmed or merely supplemented by testimony, yet there is a certain
remarkable class of appearances which are continually contradicted by
testimony. These are those predicates which we know to be emotional,
but which he distinguishes by their connection with the movements of
that central person, himself (that the table wants moving, etc.)
These judgments are generally denied by others. Moreover, he has
reason to think that others, also, have such judgments which are
quite denied by all the rest. Thus, he adds to the conception of
appearance as the actualization of fact, the conception of it as
something private and valid only for one body. In short, error
appears, and it can be explained only by supposing a self which is
fallible."(CP 5.234)[ Peirce emphasize italic words; emphasize by
bold mine]
NB by RM >
None of the terms, "positivization" and "secondization" appears in
CP, EP2, NEM III/2, NEM 4.
Regards,
Robert Marty Honorary Professor ; Ph.D. Mathematics ; Ph.D.
Philosophy
fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Marty [1]
https://martyrobert.academia.edu/ [2]
Le mer. 18 août 2021 à 16:20, a écrit :
Continuing our slow read on phaneroscopy, here is the next slide of
André De Tienne’s slideshow posted on the Peirce Edition Project
(iupui.edu) [4] site.
Gary f.
Text: Toward Positiveness
• The actualization of firsts or possibilia includes the
actualization of a special form, which can be rendered into the term
positiveness, an abstraction resulting from positivization.
• THEREFORE, what follows mathematics in the order of
the classification of the sciences is a scientific activity that will
explore that resulting positiveness (or secondization).
• One way of putting it is by wondering very simply
“How do some of the non-arbitrary forms that mathematics has made
out actually MANIFEST themselves within ‘experience’ in
general?”
• More fundamentally: how do certain mathematical forms
manage to structure the dough, not of this or that in experience, but
of “experiencing” itself (the experiencing of experience)?_ _ _ _
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