Edwina, List: The statements below exhibit confusion of the categories themselves as discovered in phaneroscopy with "categorical modes" as employed in speculative grammar for sign classification. All semiosis involves 3ns, which is mediation as distinguished from reaction (2ns) and quality (1ns). All genuine triadic relations, including any sign (qualisign/sinsign/legisign) representing its object (iconically/indexically/symbolically) for its interpretant (as a rheme/dicisign/argument), are manifestations of 3ns. On the other hand, all "sensate interaction" is dyadic, not triadic.
Regards, Jon S. On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 12:34 PM Edwina Taborsky <tabor...@primus.ca> wrote: > JAS > > We'll just have to disagree. > > I acknowledge the Qualisign - which is pure Firstness - and is triadic and > is NOT cognitive. There is no Thirdness involved. Same with a Dicent > Sinsign - which is pure Secondness and is triadic and is NOT cognitive. No > Thirdness involved. > > That is - the semiosic triad of O-R-I does not always mean that cognition > [Thirdness] is involved. But, all sensate interaction between X and Y is > triadic [O-R-I] . > > Edwina > > On Tue 24/08/21 1:20 PM , Jon Alan Schmidt jonalanschm...@gmail.com sent: > > Edwina, List: > > ET: If anything is present to the mind - then it is triadic, i.e., > semiotic. ... If anything functions as a stimulus - then it is triadic. > > > Not according to Peirce. 1ns and 2ns are certainly present to the mind as > quality/feeling and reaction/effort, yet in themselves they are decidedly not > triadic/semiosic; i.e., cognitive. > > Regards, > > Jon S. > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 12:08 PM Edwina Taborsky <tabor...@primus.ca> > wrote: > >> JAS, list >> >> If anything is present to the mind - then it is triadic, i.e., semiotic. >> As I've said, it could be a qualisign, an iconic sinsign, a rhematic >> sinsign, a dicent sinsign [brute actuality]. If anything functions as a >> stimulus - then it is triadic. >> >> Edwina >> >> On Tue 24/08/21 12:39 PM , Jon Alan Schmidt jonalanschm...@gmail.com >> sent: >> >> Edwina, List: >> >> ET: It seems to me that De Tienne is here referring to the >> experience/consciousness that can be understood as a Qualisign, or Iconic >> Sinsign or even a Rhematic Indexical Sinsign. >> >> >> On the contrary, André is explicitly discussing phaneroscopy, not >> semeiotic. The phaneron encompasses whatever is or could be present to the >> mind in any way--not just Signs/mediation (3ns), but also Ideas/quality >> (1ns) and Brute Actuality/reaction (2ns). >> >> Regards, >> >> Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA >> Structural Engineer, Synechist Philosopher, Lutheran Christian >> www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt >> >> On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 11:59 AM Edwina Taborsky <tabor...@primus.ca> >> wrote: >> >>> List >>> >>> It seems to me that De Tienne is here referring to the >>> experience/consciousness that can be understood as a Qualisign, or Iconic >>> Sinsign or even a Rhematic Indexical Sinsign. That is - since all >>> experience is triadic - and since the descriptions of 'experience' provided >>> by De Tienne seem to emphasize their being individual, unique, >>> non-analyzed...then, there is no Thirdness involved. >>> >>> But, the Peircean notion of synechism/continuity suggests that >>> Thirdness/generality/Mind..is somehow, at some time in the interaction, >>> involved. "The synechist will not admit that physical and psychical >>> phenomena are entirely distinct" 1893 EP2.23 >>> >>> Bringing in Robert Marty's 'Five Paths'...one wonders: 'where do we go >>> from here'? After all, we are here involved purely in the semiosis of >>> Firstness and Secondness and yet, as Peirce argues within his synechism, >>> Mind or Thirdness has to be involved within not only what WE experience but >>> within that objective reality with which we interact. >>> >>> Edwina >>> >>
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