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1] I don't agree with you that Peirce rejects the concept that
prayer is a psychological action. Your statement that it is a
'universal human instinct' - is psychological.
2] Our species' natural instinct' is the capacity to reason, to
develop 'logical outlines/patterns/diagrams' of the world. This
capacity is found in all of life - from protoplasm to bees to man.
..which is why it is "in accordance with natures".
With regard to mankind - This capacity to reason is NOT a
knowledge-base but the capacity-to-develop-a knowledge base. Insects
don't have this capacity; they have the capacity to 'reason' and
interact but their knowledge base is heavily 'fixed' and innate. They
can't develop a new method of interacting with the world. Man's
knowledge base is not innate but is developed by the population over
time and stored in our social memories. The advantage of this method
of developing knowledge, of course, is its flexibility. Mankind can
change his knowledge and move from gathering seeds to planting fruit
trees.
3] And I repeat - Peirce's cosmological outlines don't refer to god.
Instead, his outlines show us that the universe is self-organized as a
process of Mind-Matter in hylomorphic correlation.
I think, as I've said before, that it is important to separate the
analysis of Mind/God [whatever the term one uses to examine the
ordering processes of our universe] from the analysis of Religion
within human populations. They are, in my view, not the same and to
merge the two can have disastrous societal and political results.
Edwina
On Thu 09/09/21 11:29 PM , Jon Alan Schmidt jonalanschm...@gmail.com
sent:
Edwina, List:
ET: Prayer is, in my view, a psychological form of behaviour - among
ALL human populations.
Okay, but clearly this is not Peirce's view. Again, he states
plainly that prayer is a universal human instinct by which the soul
expresses consciousness of its relation to God.
ET: That is - since our knowledge base is not innate but learned,
then, homo sapiens must function as a collective.
On the contrary, according to Peirce, some of our "knowledge base"
is instinctive rather than learned. After all, "unless man have a
natural bent in accordance with nature's, he has no chance of
understanding nature, at all" (CP 6.477, EP 2:444, 1908)
ET: As a side note, to my awareness, Peirce's cosmology doesn't
refer to 'god', [ie, compare with Aquinas' and Aristotle's unmoved
Mover, First Cause, etc].
Only if one blatantly begs the question by insisting that "A
Neglected Argument for the Reality of God" is somehow not an
exposition of Peirce's cosmology. I obviously think that it is, given
that I wrote a paper entitled "A Neglected Additament: Peirce on
Logic, Cosmology, and the Reality of God" (
https://tidsskrift.dk/signs/article/view/103187 [1]).
Regards,
Jon S.
On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 6:26 PM Edwina Taborsky wrote:
List
Prayer is, in my view, a psychological form of behaviour - among ALL
human populations.
It goes along with the awareness, in our human species, of our
necessary functioning as a collective.
That is - since our knowledge base is not innate but learned, then,
homo sapiens must function as a collective. The collective is the
site of both stored and new knowledge.
I think that this fact - the fragility of knowledge - means that
human beings are aware that the world functions in a far more complex
manner than their knowledge base is aware of. So - this awareness of
the complexity and magnitude of the universe leads to the development
of communal narratives about birth, death, cosmology. And the fact
that our species lives as a collective brings in awareness of the
rules required for communal living; ie, morality - which is made
authoritative by appeals to stronger and 'higher' powers [gods].
There isn't a population in the world, as far as I know, that has
not developed an awareness and narrative of superior authorities than
the human being [whether it be spirits, multiple gods, singular god,
etc]. But my view is that this is due to the unique nature of the
human species' socially generated knowledge base and communal living
requirements.
As a side note, to my awareness, Peirce's cosmology doesn't refer to
'god', [ie, compare with Aquinas' and Aristotle's unmoved Mover, First
Cause, etc].
Edwina
On Thu 09/09/21 6:29 PM , Jon Alan Schmidt jonalanschm...@gmail.com
[3] sent:
Gary R., Phyllis, List:
Peirce did have this to say about prayer.
CSP: We, one and all of us, have an instinct to pray; and this fact
constitutes an invitation from God to pray. And in fact there is
found to be not only soulagement in prayer, but great spiritual good
and moral strength. I do not see why prayer may not be efficacious,
or if not the prayer exactly, the state of mind of which the prayer
is nothing more than the expression, namely the soul's consciousness
of its relation to God, which is nothing more than precisely the
pragmatistic meaning of the name of God; so that, in that sense,
prayer is simply calling upon the name of the Lord. (CP 6.516, c.
1906)
Regards,
Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USAStructural Engineer, Synechist
Philosopher, Lutheran Christianwww.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt [4]
- twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt [5]
On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 6:46 PM Gary Richmond wrote:
Phyllis, List,
PC: As I recall, Peirce said nothing about worship, devotion or
heaven or hell.
GR: I think this is basically correct, although he does speak of a
simple, natural belief open to the humblest man or woman; he hasn't
much good to say about most theologians, however, as it is they who
confuse simple faith with, for example, notions of heaven and hell,
etc.
PC: His take on God was based on the conduct of human behavior.
The conduct of a great man's behavior is offered by Peirce as a
rough analogy to God. But the last of the 1898 Lectures, for example
there are others) can be seen to position his idea of God within a
vast cosmological context.
Best,
Gary R
“LET EVERYTHING HAPPEN TO YOU
BEAUTY AND TERROR
JUST KEEP GOING
NO FEELING IS FINAL”
― RAINER MARIA RILKE
Gary Richmond
Philosophy and Critical ThinkingCommunication StudiesLaGuardia
College of the City University of New York
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