Edwina, Jon, John, & fellow Listers, Thank you for your much appreciated clarifications. It is clear that the oft-shown graph of the sign as a triangle is not appropriate because it represents three dyadic relations, not one triadic one. And the sign is a triadic relation. Peirce used the "Y" symbol" to represent the triad (in CP 1.346 for instance), but he did not explicitly use the "Y" symbol" to represent the sign. (That's what I mean by the phrase "a diagram of the sign". I don't mean a diagram of Peirce's method of defining a sign, or examples of actual instances of marks, tokens, and types. I simply mean a representation / symbol of the triadic concept of sign.) There are actually no graphical representations of the sign in Peirce's texts. Nevertheless, since the sign is a triadic relation , it is acceptable to represent the sign with the symbol "Y" (preferably with three branches equally spaced). Would you agree that this sums up the general consensus among Peircean scholars on the question of the graphical representation of the sign by Peirce?
Thanks for continuing the semiosis of enquiry ... Warm regards, Cécile Cécile Cosculluela MC anglais UPPA ∗ SSH ∗ LEA Maître de Conférences en Etudes Anglophones Associate Professor of English as a Second Language Semiotics • Linguistics • Grammar • Translation De: "Edwina Taborsky" <edwina.tabor...@gmail.com> À: "Edwina Taborsky" <tabor...@primus.ca> Cc: "Peirce-L" <peirce-l@list.iupui.edu> Envoyé: Vendredi 5 Janvier 2024 16:15:34 Objet: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Graphical Representations of the Sign by Peirce Cecile Just to continue with the argument against the triangle as the graphic image of the Peircean sign- one can start with Peirce’s definition of the Sign, which is always a triad, “I..shall define a Sign and show its triadic form” 8.305”A sign therefore is an object which is in relation to its object on the one hand and to an interpretant on the other, in such a way as to bring the interpretant into a relation to the object, corresponding to its own relation to the object” 8.332….and in the next paragraph.. “a sign has two objects…it has also three interpretants’. 8.333. “A sign is in a conjoint relation to the thing denoted and to the mind. “…and refers frequently to “the triple relation between the sign, its object and the mind” 3.359-60 Robert Marty has an extensive outline of Peirce’s definition of the Sign, but it is important to understand that the Sign is made up of three correlates/relations AND - above all that the FORM of this triad is not a closed triangle in itself…which would be utterly useless, but is an open Y shape, enabling networking with other triadic Signs. Edwina On Jan 5, 2024, at 9:43 AM, Edwina Taborsky <tabor...@primus.ca> wrote: Cecile Understandinig the Sign as a triadic relation, made up of three correlates/relations of Object-Representamen-Interpretant, you will find a good outline of Peirce’s analysis of this triad in 1.345-347. As he says “genuine triadic relations can never be built of dyadic relations and of qualities is easily shown…and gives as an example a “node connecting three lines of identity” - with the image of a ‘Y’. 1.346. And iin 1.347 - he shows how this Y graph enables networking . That’s a key factor in semiosis- that capacity to interact and enable new meanings/ new Signs. Also - in 4.307-310, he also focuses on the generative capacity of the triad, with that ‘Y’ form, and shows how “so prolific is the triad in forms that one may conceive of all the variety and multiplicity of the universe springs from it” The point, again, of the Y-triad graph of the Sign, understood as a form of three correlates/relations, is that it is not closed, but open to interaction with other triadic Signs. As Peirce also writes, “the most fundamental fact about the number three is its generative potency” 4.309. And its generative potency can only be be realized if those three relations are open to interaction with other triads….which is why the oft-shown graph of the Sign as a closed triangle - is so incorrect. Edwina BQ_BEGIN BQ_BEGIN Dear Peirce-Listers, I hope this message finds you well. I am currently researching graphical representations of the sign in Peirce's texts. If you know of any in his papers and can guide me to their location, I would greatly appreciate it. Ideally, a link to a manuscript page with a diagram of the sign drawn by Peirce would be most helpful. Thank you for your consideration and have a great day! Best regards, Cécile Cécile Cosculluela MC anglais UPPA ∗ SSH ∗ LEA Maître de Conférences en Etudes Anglophones Associate Professor of English as a Second Language Semiotics • Linguistics • Grammar • Translation <LogoUPPA.jpg> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ARISBE: THE PEIRCE GATEWAY is now at https://cspeirce.com and, just as well, at https://www.cspeirce.com . It'll take a while to repair / update all the links! ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in the body. More at https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and co-managed by him and Ben Udell. BQ_END BQ_END _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ARISBE: THE PEIRCE GATEWAY is now at https://cspeirce.com and, just as well, at https://www.cspeirce.com . It'll take a while to repair / update all the links! ► PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . ► To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message NOT to PEIRCE-L but to l...@list.iupui.edu with UNSUBSCRIBE PEIRCE-L in the SUBJECT LINE of the message and nothing in the body. More at https://list.iupui.edu/sympa/help/user-signoff.html . ► PEIRCE-L is owned by THE PEIRCE GROUP; moderated by Gary Richmond; and co-managed by him and Ben Udell.
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