Good point, Gary.  Still another way of thinking about it might be to 
suppose that the emphasis is supposed to fall on "thing" rather than "sign": 
"no sign is a real THING" rather than "no sign is a REAL thing"; but that 
doesn't sound very plausible to me.  I like your solution better.

Joe Ransdell



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[JOE]  I don't understand yet how these terms are being
used in a way that satisfies me that I understand what those distinctions
really are.  I was shocked, for example, to find Peirce saying that "no sign
is a real thing", though he does go ahead to explain this in such a way that
it does not seem to involve a retraction of his realism about signs after
all.  But I don't really understand that yet.

[gary F] I wonder if Peirce might have cleared this up a little -- without
losing the shock value of "no sign is a real thing" -- by saying also that
"no thing is a real sign".  (Since a thing can be at best a *replica* or
token of a sign.)

        gary

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