Here is a verifying passage:, from the neglected Argument paper
Peirce: CP 6.452
The word "God," so "capitalized" (as we Americans say), is the
definable proper name, signifying Ens necessarium; in my belief Really
creator of all three Universes of Experience.
Some words shall herein be capitalized when used, not as vernacular,
but as terms defined. Thus an "idea" is the substance of an actual unitary
thought or fancy; but "Idea," nearer Plato's idea of {idea}, denotes
anything whose Being consists in its mere capacity for getting fully
represented, regardless of any person's faculty or impotence to represent
it.
Joe Ransdell
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I agree, Ben. Peirce used capitalization to mark his use of a term as a
technical one, a term of art. It is a common practice of his and I am
certain that there is at least one place where he states this explicitly.
Ill try to track down a verifying passage but it may be difficult to find.
Joe Ransdell
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Aw Jim, you're a trouble maker!
>> 66~~~~~~~~~~
>> *A _Sign_, or _Representamen_, is a First which stands in such genuine
>> triadic relation to a Second, called its _Object_, as to be capable of
>> detemining a Third, called its _Interpretant, to assume the same triadic
>> relation to its Object in which it stands itself to the same Object.*
>> ~~~~~~~~~~99
Normal English? With capitalization of the ordinals, no less? In English we
would say a "given thing," "a second thing," etc. English is characterized
by intransigent normalcy. So Peirce is going to use some capitalized
ordinals without explicit referents, as if he were talking about Firsts,
Seconds, & Thirds in the usual Peirce way, in order to say simply
"something," "another thing," and "a third thing"? Peirce is complicated but
he is not sadistic toward the reader.
The Sign's correlate, when no further specification is provided, is the
Object. "On a New List of Categories": Secondness is reference to a
correlate. The Object is the Correlate is the Second.
"On a New List of Categories": Thirdness is reference to an interpretant.
The Interpretant is the Third.
Argh,
Ben, on three glasses of wine
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From: "Jim Piat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:12 PM
Subject: [peirce-l] Re: 1st image of triangle of boxes (MS799.2)
Dear Ben, Jean-Marc, list--
For what its worth, it also struck me that Peirce's use of the terms
"first", "second" and "third" in the context cited by Jean-Marc is as
Jean-Marc suggests merely a way of indicating the three elements involved
when (A) Something --a sign, (B) stands for Something -an object, (C) to
something -- an interpretant. I think it is mistaken to suppose a sign (as
a function) is a example of a Peircean Firstness. A sign (as I understand
the matter) is pre-eminently an example of Pericean Thirdness.
OTOH is also seems to me (as Ben and others are suggesting) that Peirce's
trichotomies of signs are in some fundamental way related to his categories
and less arbitrary than it seems to me that Jean-Marc is suggesting.
But I make both of the above comments mainly from the standpoint of an
interested bystander who is both enjoying and learning from this interesting
discussion which I hope will continue.
That said, I am somewhat puzzled by what Peirce means when he refers to a
sinsign as not actually functioning as a sign and yet having the
characteristics of a sign. The only tentative explanation I can come up
with is that for Peirce all that we conceive or experience (and thus all we
can or do speak of ) are signs. So to speak of a quality is necessarily not
to speak of a qaulity iself (because by defintions qualities are in or as
themselves non existant) but to speak of the sign of a quality. IOWs a
sinsign is something that stands for a quality that stands for something to
something.
And since this is more or less open forum I'd like to comment on a special
interest of mine and that is the logic of disagreements but I will do that
in a separate post.
Best wishes,
Jim Piat
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