Thanks JM for your brief comments,

I still think we need some way of distinguishing between that which is for us phenomenologically or experientally real and that which is (enduringly) existent in the world.

Peirce and Whitehead both operate with notions that postulate some kind of relational continuity between what we call "mind" and "matter". In this connection Whitehead introduces into the cartesian (epistemological) chasm between mental and material substance his notions of "actual occasion" or "organism", while Peirce handles the same problem with his conception of matter as "effete mind".

For both, "being" is in some sense always "becoming" -- the actualisation of a potential for what Peirce often referred to as "the growth of concrete reasonableness", and what Whitehead refered to as "satisfaction", or in one of his definitions of that notion: "the culmination of concrescence into a completely determinate matter of fact" both of which I think, can be tied to the notion of "entelecheia", which was discussed at some length here on the list previously.

I may well be wrong here, of course -- indeed, I haven't been working with Whitehead's ideas so long myself, and trying to see these in relation to those of Peirce is actually quite a daunting task -- so it would be interesting to hear some opinions from other Peirce listers too...

Best regards

Patrick

Patrick Coppock wrote:
At 0:11 -0400 25-06-2006, Jerry LR Chandler wrote:

I will be at the Whitehead Conference in Salzburg next week so I do not anticipate much time for replies.
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However, for us to believe that Firsts, Seconds and Thirds actually "exist", beyond their being mere transitory events in an ongoing semiosic process, would be fallibilistic in Peirce's terms, or a "Fallacy of Misplaced Concreteness" in Whitehead's terms.

Not at all.
Peirce was a "three-category realist", acknowledging the reality fo Firsts, Seconds and Thirds early on. What you call "Fallacy of Misplaced Concreteness" is just another word for "nominalism" in that context. Peirce was not a nominalist.

Peirce acknowledge the reality of actuality or of secondness (around 1890). Look for "outward clash", or "Scotus" in the CPs and his criticism of Hegel's idealism.

He acknowledged the reality of firsts (the universe of possibility), and of course the reality of thirdness (the universe of thought or signs) I don't have the exact references, but that's not too difficult to find if you go through the Collected Papers, look for "nominalism", "realism", "idealism" ...

However he wrote that some thirds and seconds are degenerate, meaning that they have no real existence.

Regards
/JM


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