As I said, it is difficult to get a detailed demographic picture from P 
region by region except for the few passages I have sent. I am 
trying to follow his otherwise correct insistence that we should not 
speak of  China as one unit the same way we don't for Europe. But 
P does not always follow this principle when  he writes about the 
regional demographic pattern of China. He, however, offers a 
detailed regional analysis of "deforestation and soil depletion in 
China". Let me sum his argument in point form:

- general conclusion: "both ends of Eurasia were in serious 
trouble". By 1800/1850? Not clear, maybe by 1850/1900. China 
was certainly *not* facing an imminent ecological crisis by 1800. 
The timing, seriousness, or even whether there were any signs of a 
crisis varied from region to region.

- resource depletion was "serious" in the *Lower Yangzi*. More 
than any other region it depended on "ecologically sensitive 
goods", and "imported large amounts of beancake fertilizer from 
Manchuria".  (226). "Yield increases slowed after 1800" (228), *but* 
this advanced region was not any more used-up  ecologically than 
England or the Netherlands. "But it was probably not until well into 
the nineteenth century that [ecological problems] became more 
severe than problems in core regions in Europe...And by that time 
the most developed parts of Europe had obtained significant 
ecological relief from underground *and* overseas..[his italics] 
(229).   

- Lingnan ("probably China's second most commercialized and 
densely populated macro-region") was facing certain ecological 
difficulties by the late 18th but it still had more timber left than 
"insular and peninsular Europe did" [Europe without European 
Russia]. It even had larger forested remaining areas than France. 
Its population continue to grow, from 17.5 million in 1753 to 30.5 by 
1853 (229-30). "Per-acre food yields in Lingnan irrigated rice 
farming kept growing with the help of ever-more beancake fertilizer 
and may have doubled between 1750 and 1900" (226). (It began to 
import much of  this beancake from Manchuria in the 19th).

- "By 1900, much of North China was an ecological disaster area"; 
"the production of non-food crops probably fell in absolute as well 
as per capita terms between 1750 and 1900, as more and more of 
its land was needed for food" (234). But not every area of North 
China was facing serious problems in 1800. Indeed, "population 
growth continued with barely a pause, right through to the still 
faster population growth that began in the 1950s; and it did so in 
spite of a series of genuine ecological catastrophes with lasting 
effects. And both before and after 1850, the most rapid population 
growth within North China appears to have been in Henan, 
generally the poorest province in the macro-region" (244).

Did North China bring itself into this Malthusian disaster --  into 
misery and poverty due to a lack of preventive checks?  P 
speculates that, in this one case,  the old Malthusian argument - 
wrongly applied to the whole of China - may hold true, which he 
attributes, possibly, to weaker family lineages leading to weaker 
fertility restraints (244-45).  

- Guangdong and Guangxi were more forested than France through 
the 1700s and 1800s. (229-30). 

- "Perkins's scattered data suggest that per acre rice yields in 
some of the most export oriented counties in the Middle Yangzi 
province of *Hunan* did rice sharply as the province filled up: they 
were about 60 percent of Lower Yangzi levels in the 18th century 
and caught up during the 19th...Cultivated acreage also rose 
significantly - presumably mostly in less-advanced areas...Hunan's 
population grew about 40 percent between 1775 and 1850" (246). 

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