Doug Henwood wrote:
Why exclude interest?

Because it's not part of surplus value, and hence it sends the capitalist class the wrong price signals about where to derive profits.

It's an expense, no? U.S. corps have been flush with cash, at least until very recently. If you told a CEO or a stock trader that there was a profitability crisis they'd think you're insane.

That's the heart of this crisis: the Wall St idiots kept reinvesting in fictitious capital (dot coms, real estate, etc etc) because they get their jollies from profits, not from surplus value extraction. Hence capitalist crisis tendencies worsen, even while profit rates appear to have recovered, thanks to speculative bubbling. Doug, did you never bother with Das K? Or Limits to K?

Do you not get a bit wary of relying upon bourgeois stats? Does it not perhaps distract you from underlying crisis tendencies, dear comrade?

We've disagreed on crisis tendencies for the last 16-17 years, and I've turned out to have been right.

No, you've been *way too sanguine*. And as probably the finest lefty business journo we have, this has led to quite a bit of confusion, comrade.

I don't know how this one's going to turn out, but I'd say there's a good possibility it could get ugly. But who knows at this point? If you say "Falling rate of profit! Crisis around the corner!" for 20 or 30 years during which profits are mostly rising and such a crisis doesn't materialize, what have you gained?

And if it does materialise because (as people like Harvey have written) there has been lots of crisis *displacement* not crisis resolution, then you owe it to your many readers to go back to the drawing board, Doug.

(By the way, all this banter is a reflection not of snarkiness - though it may seem so - but frustration that old friend Doug still, after all of this, seems wedded to bourgeois categories which prevents him from discerning the system's underlying laws of motion.)


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