Dan --

In cases where the merchant does not receive the payment immediately, I
believe that the payment would be deposited into a "settlement account" at a
bank. Effectively this is like a checking account. The banks, then through a
"clearing house" (which could be an entity like Visa) "net settle" with each
other.  That is, all the claims on each other are netted out and each either
writes a check drawn on the settlement account or receives a check to be
deposited into the settlement account. Concurrent with this process each
receives an electronic file with the individual transactions to be posted
either to credit card accounts or to merchant accounts. The opposing
accounting entry to the customer or merchant entry would be to the
settlement account. So, as you surmise it should all cancel out with zero in
the settlement account except for the float. The float is interest free
money to the bank.

Peter

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Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 5:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [Pen-l] Chase Manhattan late fee


On Sep 26, 2008, at 1:46 PM, ravi wrote:

> On Sep 26, 2008, at 4:30 PM, Louis Proyect wrote:
>> more and more credit cards impose stiff penalties


I use a card that can be either a credit card or debit card. The end result
(a withdrawal from my account) is the same. I've noticed that when I use it
either way, it shows up on my on-line access damn near immediately -- if I
head straight home and look it up, it's already there. However, when I pay a
bill on-line it takes a few days to show up. I've always wondered if the
merchant got his money as fast as it was removed from my account when I pay
at a checkstand. Any one know?

My guess is that banks use the float to their advantage and that it is a
major source of their income.

WaMu's collapse yesterday was preceded by billions of withdrawals on- line
from normal depositors.

My brother, a banker kind of guy, tells me that if WaMu hadn't been
purchased the drain on FDIC would have bankrupted it.

I wonder if the guv'mint's bailout ultimate goal is to give "credence" (an
analog to "credit"), i.e., value, to "assets" that don't really exist except
on ledgers.

The bailout effectively transfers the notion of reality (real people doing
real work earning real wages on which they are taxed) to fantasy
(collections of collections of possible collections of probable assets). The
real working people pay, the bums on the plush win. Big time.

Dan



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