Greetings Economists,
On Nov 7, 2008, at 5:50 PM, Sandwichman wrote:

"What kind of change is needed? First, to announce the withdrawal of
our troops from Iraq and Afghanistan, and to renounce the Bush
doctrine of preventive war as well as the Carter doctrine of military
action to control Mideast oil. He needs to radically change the
direction of U.S. foreign policy, declare that the U.S. is a peace
loving country which will not intervene militarily in other parts of
the world, and start dismantling the military bases we have in over a
hundred countries. Also he must begin meeting with Medvedev, the
Russian leader, to reach agreement on the dismantling of the nuclear
arsenals, in keeping with the Nuclear Anti-Proliferation Treaty.

Doyle;
This to me is the best way to represent left views. This cry to remove the military pillar of power is the bitter pill to swallow for Obama. I don't think he will even consider this position. The war in Afghanistan must prove to him something this ruling elite cannot face. I expect him to not go there. But it is at the same time good to shout out.

To me as well Max must apply the SD model, give the country the option. All the welfare state attributes cushioning the effects of capitalist chaos. That too must fail, because the economy won't allow such 'waste' of resources when profits are so hard to make happen. So a happy state of ideas opens the lid of society now. Let the options come to the fore. And the limits that bind us reveal themselves more. Surely if SD is possible that is better! And if it fails then we can reach a new shore.
thanks,
Doyle Saylor
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