Max Sawicky wrote: > > It's short in geological time, but not if you accept that capitalism > is only about 200 years old.
"Geolgoical time" makes you look silly; all of human history is short by geological time. What you mean (or ought to have meant if you were thinking instead of knee-jerking) is that it is short by _historical_ time: i.e., 61 years against about 5000 years of post neolithic human history. Put that way, it is interesting. When has capitalism NOT been in crisis. Capitalism IS the crisis of human history (e.g., among about 20 other things, global warming). And its own short history has been one fucking crisis after another, most resolved (directly or indirectly) through a new bloodbath of some sort. (See Marx's chapter on the working day.) What we are seeing is just one more exemplification of Marx's fundamental point, the historicity of capitalism. Carrol > > Regarding the allegedly supine U.S. labor movement, the Euro movement > is arguably not supine though there isn't much difference in terms of > length of the work week. With the partial exception of France the > Europeans do not seem to have taken increased productivity in the form > of shorter hours, unless you take more vacation/sick leave as reduced > work week. > > On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Carrol Cox <[email protected]> wrote: > > 61 years is a rather short period in historical terms. Hence concern > > with the length is uncalled for and mere quibbling. And Gene's time > > frame would link the present crisis to the resolution (Depression and > > WW2) of the preceding one, which had immensely enhanced the power of > > labor. Then the beginning of the 2d crisis is marked by capital's > > counter-offensive, culminating in the Carter-Reagan presidency. > > Interesting. I'm not arguing for Gene's hypothesis but mocking what he > > calls mere arm-waving at it. > > > > Carrol > > > > _______________________________________________ > > pen-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > > > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l _______________________________________________ pen-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l
