On Dec 15, 2008, at 2:27 PM, Carrol Cox wrote:
Yes. But to respond to the argument Doug had to more or less
deliberately muddy the waters of discourse by bringing in such an
absurd
concept as "paradise for leftists," just as Max had to muddy the
waters
by bringing in the absurd concept of geological time. Neither can
respond to the areguments advanced, so they make up easy targets to
mock. And they can only mock. They can't acvtually respond to even the
strawman positons they invent.
Oh please. The 'attack on the left' of 1947 is entirely consistent
with more than a century of American history. In the 19th century, our
gov killed more strikers than Tsarist Russia. The Palmer raids, etc.,
were an enormous crackdown on radical agitation. The New Deal era was
a historical anomaly in its emphasis on collectivity and mild state
intervention on the working class's behalf, and after the war was
over, it was time to start going back to business as usual.
And Max's reference to geological time was a funny way of making the
point that the sense of temporal spaciousness that its proponents were
offering was ludicrous. You can't have a six-decade crisis.
Why invent straw men when your interlocutors do it for you?
Doug
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