On Wednesday, October 7, 2009 at 09:53:37 (-0700) David B. Shemano writes:
>Louis Proyect writes (and others follow up):
>
>>> The fascist system was based on capitalist property relations.
>>> "Corporatism" was the form that capitalism took in Spain, Portugal,
>>> Italy and Germany. It does not matter that Hitler called himself a
>>> National Socialist. Those were just words. He was a capitalist politician.
>
>I have two intellectual diversions during the day: this list and a
>Leo Strauss list.  Both have topics that periodically come up and
>gender a lot of repetitive heat.  On the Strauss list, one of the
>topics is whether Nazi Germany was "capitalist."  Ultimately, I come
>down that it was not capitalist, because "capitalism," to the extent
>it has any substantive meaning, means, following Aristotle (and I
>believe Marx as well), an ideology that liberates the greed impulse
>and advocates accumulation for no purpose other than accumulation
>(what Strauss called the "joyless quest for joy").  Capitalism cannot
>be confused with a social system based upon private property
>relations, because that would mean every country with private
>property relations would be "capitalist," and even Marxists don't
>believe that.  Therefore, the fact that Germany maintained private
>property relations as the dominant form of the economy does not mean,
>ipso facto, Germany was "capitalist."  National Socialism was not an
>ideology that the goal of the German people should be to accumulate
>bigger and better SUV's and big-screen TVs as an end in itself --
>National Socialism treated the economy/private property relations as
>instrumental to other "loftier" goals

Hitler was a capitalist tool supported by the German corporate elite.
His "socialist" varnish did not alter the fact that their economy
was certainly capitalist.


Bill
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