Michael Perelman writes:

>> Capitalism has had centuries to try to get it right.  No country has
>> ever really instituted socialism, which began in poor countries with
>> serious external threats.  Even so, the growth in the USSR and China was
>> impressive.
>> 
>> Marx said that he did not write cookbooks.  He could not determine how
>> things should be done.  I am not sure that Jim D's 51% is the way to go.

Utter copout.  Why am I more interested in the mechanics of socialism than you 
are?  

Let's me ask a related question which I kind of danced around in the prior 
posts.  In your view, Is "socialism" a process of governance ("one person, one 
vote"), or is it a description of a state of affairs ("peace, clean air and 
water, and social and economic equality").  If it is a process, what if the 
voters vote to permit private property relations, or inequality, or NASCAR 
racing?  Must the voters vote in a certain way for the society to retain the 
"socialist" label?  And if it is a state of affairs, what if the state of 
affairs is achieved through centralization and/or authoritarian rule?  Can a 
society retain the "socialist" label if the decision-makers are an enlightened 
elite?

David Shemano


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