Message: 5
From: Shane Mage

On Jun 11, 2010, at 3:29 PM, c b wrote:

> From: Shane Mage
>
> On Jun 10, 2010, at 5:03 PM, c b wrote:
>>
>> Cheikh Diop has a whole discussion of why there were no revolutions
>> in
>> Egypt in _Civilization or Barbarism_
>
> No revolutions?  As Ipuwer lamented, "slaves are wearing the jewels of
> their masters."  And the Book of Exodus describes the same event
> (celebrating, not lamenting) as "The Israelites found favor in the
> eyes of the Egyptians" and left with their gold and jewels.

^^^^^
CB: I got Diop wrong on this.  His version of Ipuwer on this is like
what Shane says.  I'll report it later. I should have known better
than to challenge Shane on ancient history (smile).

^^^^^


> ...Very interesting that the Israelites
> themselves claim that they got gold and jewels from their hosts in
> Egypt...The Israelites became rude guests. I think they got kicked
> out.
> So, it wasn't about "let them go"...

The Israelites (the twelve families descended, 3-4 generations later,
from the sons of Joseph) were immigrants, not "guests," nor were they
"kicked out."  It is necessary to unpack the Biblical foundation myth
to separate fact from myth and legend, and from the false long
Egyptian chronology accepted as dogma by conventional history on the
basis of that myth and legend.  The factual basis is an enormous
natural catastrophe (called the "Plagues" in the Bible and the "Blast
of Heaven's Displeasure" by the Egyptian historian Manetho)  and
consequent social revolution that devastated Lower Egypt.  A great
mass of Egyptians (Exodus calls it a "mixed multitude") led by an
upper-class Egyptianized Israelite (Moses) set out to escape the
devastation.  Many perished (at the Sea of Passage) but most survived
and were promptly organized by Moses into twelve "tribes" named after
the sons of Joseph (the population of the the Delta region, "Goshen,"
already had a large Asiatic component). The overthrow of the (Lower)
Egyptian ruling class was completed with the invasion of an Arabian
tribe known (to the Israelites) as "Amalekites" or "Evil Angels," and
to the Egyptians as "Shepherd Kings" or "Hyksos," who ruled Egypt
until the time of Saul (first King of Israel) and Ahmose the Liberator
(founder of the "eighteenth" Egyptian dynasty).

^^^^^^^^
CB: Thanks.
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