Jurriaan

If e.g. you believed in the "iron theory of value", and you are faced with
the observation that for each industry the variability in output values does
not correlate positively with iron inputs, you could also argue that a
positive correlation does nevertheless exist, but it is observed only we
aggregate the data of several different industries. That is, our ability to
establish a positive correlation or not may partly depend on how we decide
to group and aggregate the observations. The correlation may not exist at
one level, or from one angle, but we may be able to demonstrate it at
another level or from another angle.

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Paul
In principle yes, but hid Rhodus hic salta, if one thinks that this is the case
demonstrate it!
The only person who has taken up the challenge is Soklis who claims that
all value bases are about equally good. But his method of doing it includes
the 'household sector' as an industry which produces labour. He thus sneaks
the labour input in via the back door when computing the iron values since
the net final output of   iron largely goes into final consumption, thus his 
iron
content of labour is a pretty good proxy for the labour input, and when he
is computing iron values he is really computing joint iron and labour values.
If one computes iron values but eliminates the household sector, and
computes labour values eliminating the iron sector, you find that labour
values retain a high correlation in the absence of iron, but that iron values
do not retain a high correlation in the absence of labour.


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Jurriaan
The thoughts and desires of the Goddess could be considered a Bhaskarian
"hidden causal mechanism" - the metaphorical expression of divine
inclinations could be thought of as denoting a complex of causal influences
about which we could build a model.

 Paul
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Yes they may be so considered, and religious people no doubt assign to
their favourite goddesses and gods just this sort of causual mechanism. But
if a mechanism is so well hidden that there is no prossible method of revealing 
it
then for scientists, as opposed to priests, that mechanism should be 
disregarded.
This is the substance of Smolins criticism of string theory which, I think can
equally be applied to Marginal Utility theory: it is a sophisticated maths of 
causes
that are so well hidden that they are not even in principle testable.

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