On Aug 4, 2011, at 3:37 PM, c b wrote:

> Point is that FDR and Lincoln were not so voluntarily courageous
> as you might think. They were "made" to do it by strong social
> movements from below ( not a small group of progressives). There  is
> no comparable social movement for progressives to represent in making
> Obama do it.   Lincoln was very pragmatic/opportunist.

Lincoln and FDR were produced by a society that was rising in wealth and power. 
Obama is the product of a society that's rotting. 

Doug
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