On Aug 18, 2011, at 8:02 PM, michael perelman wrote:
We have been through this a number of times. It is obvious that
governments lie and hide the truth
They do, but not always (Cretans are liars, but not everything that
every Cretan says is therefore a lie). Governments tell the truth
most all the time--and not only to make their lies more plausible
("*Le Temps* is scrupulously accurate on everything unimportant so
that its lies on important matters will be believed"--Trotsky). Truth
would be the best propaganda (cf. Stalin's slave-labor system) so lies
have a real purpose
and that we will never know the
full story.
The fact is that we know only the surface details (and then only some
of them) of the story
Some here believe that 9/11 was a Bush/Cheney set up.
Most us us think that that theory is unlikely to be true, but we will
probably [not] have enough information to know the full story.
The one significant, irrefutable, fact is that almost all of the true
story was covered up.
If the coverup was not ongoing Osama Bin Laden, an indicted criminal,
would not have been (supposedly) summarily executed rather than tried,
and his (alleged) body would not have been criminally (obstruction of
justice) destroyed.
Consequently, the Truther theory is irrefutable, but not necessarily
true.
Paul is correct that "Bush/Cheney set up" does not fairly represent
what the Falsers call "Truther theory."
But it is just false to say that any "Truther theory" is irrefutable.
Any "truther" theory, if false, would be refuted by the full and open
inquiry that we demand.
I doubt that anything will come of this discussion. Wouldn't we do
better to learn more about the economy?
At the moment, don't the headlines in the FT tell us all we need to
know about the economy?
Shane Mage
"scientific discovery is basically recognition of obvious realities
that self-interest or ideology have kept everybody from paying
attention to"
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