On Jul 1, 2012, at 2:12 AM, nathan tankus wrote:

"Everyone who plays this game does it by different rules. Many esteemed Marxist profit-watchers adjust the official stats in numerous ways, such as trying to eliminate “nonproductive” activity. While I understand the interest in jiggering the numbers, no known capitalist can see or feel the adjusted rate of profit. What they (and their shareholders) care about is the actual rate of profit, reported in cash money, relative to the amount of capital that had to be invested to gain the return."

But net profits are not reported in "cash money," only operating profits are. Net profits involve numerous accruals and accounting tricks. Nor do investors care about profit "relative to the amount of capital that had to be invested to gain the return." They are concerned about (net accounting, not real operating) profits relative to the current stock price, the prices and returns on other shares, and the accounting profits in the previous quarter--none of which has any economic relation whatsoever to corporate managers' investment decisions (which, however, in a financialized form of monopoly capitalism such as has prevailed for the past couple of generations are greatly, and most perniciously, influenced by their own speculative stock-and-option holdings, their exorbitant salaries and bonuses {what Marx called a "swindle" designed to loot from the nominal owners} and by the perpetual pressure of corporate raiders and "shareholder activists.")

Could [a left-wing government] restore profitability to enterprise, shrink inflation and lower unemployment by shrinking other sectors such as unproductive labor and rent? It seems to me that this is a logical conclusion from anything I've read from Marxists and Marx. Yet I've almost never seen it discussed.

Since government employment is by definition unproductive, shrinking unproductive labor is scarcely what it would be doing! Certainly, though, shrinking rent, interest, and executive looting of any firm would increase its profit of enterprise (and hence investment) pari passu. Shrinking unproductive labor has no direct effect on profit over the economy as a whole. Overhead costs are presumably necessary expenses for the realization of surplus value, so if any company reduces them it will realize less profit and its "competitors" will realize more (If Pepsi advertises less than optimum its sales and profits will fall but be taken up by Coke). Of course, there being no possible objective standard of "productivity" for overhead expenses there tends to be enormous waste under that heading. But even cutting out wasteful overhead, however beneficial to the firm involved, will wash out over the economy as a whole because the cost savings of one become an identical amount of reduced monetary demand for the output of all the others.


Fred Moseley has also emphasized the importance of increases in unproductive labor to the 1970's:

 "there were two main causes
of the decline of the rate of profit in the postwar US economy from the late 1940s to the mid- 1970s: an increase in the capital invested per worker, and an increase in the ratio of unproductive labor to productive labor. According to my estimates, these two trends contributed roughly equally to the total decline in the rate of profit during this period (see Moseley 1991,
Chapter 4)."

These are not separate trends. The increase in unproductive labor involves an increase in the unproductive portion of the circulating capital ("c") compared to "v." Much more important it involves a huge increase in the unproductive part of the fixed capital ("C"), in the form of corporate headquarters and office buildings, shopping malls, computers and their software, executive jets, etc. That a lot of these involve executive looting of surplus value scarcely can be said to diminish their pernicious effect on profit of enterprise.


On another note, I'm not so sure unproductive labor should be completely ignored when calculating the rate of profit.

It should not be ignored at all, as stated above. Even though it has no influence at all on the numerator of the profit rate it has a major influence on the denominator and thus on the Organic Composition (provided that Marx's concept of "Technical Composition" be expanded to reflect the hypertrophy of unproductive capital in the modern system of Financialized Monopoly Capitalism).

I think perhaps executive pay should factor in too. If the executives think they can dramatically increase their compensation through investment they will do so even if the firm as a whole sees a low profit rate or even sees negative quarters.

Executive pay, beyond the wages of *technical* management, is, as Marx said, a swindle of the owners by the executives. Executives do not increase their pay, dramatically or even modestly, through investment. Its all how much they can get away with at the expense of the owners through stock-market manipulation. Using funds for investment gives them nothing. Using them for stock buybacks to increase the prices of their shares and options lets them make out like the bandits they are.


Shane Mage

This cosmos did none of gods or men make, but it
 always was and is and shall be: an everlasting fire,
 kindling in measures and going out in measures.

 Herakleitos of Ephesos





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