On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Steve Diamond <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ignoring the snide comments by Lipow I was making a serious point. Some conversations are more likely to be productive than others. This one, IMO is likely to be more for entertainment than enlightenment. > (any relation to Art?) A cousin > ... I think Raghu has it right. This is new. Its Hoover or Carter politics > of austerity, deal with rigidity of wages by smashing labor, take the > Wisconsin fight national. Its a huge tactical blunder as it was in 1978 > and in 1932. I hope you are right, but this is an election that depends on turnout. We are facing massive voter disenfranchisement and discouragement (in the sense of voters being afraid to vote). The Democrats also lost their best registration and turnout troops when they allowed ACORN to be destroyed. And when the Democratic Party tries to use Social Security against the Republicans, there is plenty of video the Republicans can play of Obama speaking in favor gutting Social Security to counter that. BTW, while I agree with Carrol that the Democratic Party is a major problem for the left, I don't agree that a Republican win in November will help with that. Instead of supporting Obama, Democratic loyalists will concentrate on defeating Republican incumbents with zero concern over how awful the replacements are. > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Carrol Cox <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Michael Smith: I'd say it was already pretty scary, and has been for some >> time. Ryan, you might say, is the latest step in a long >> march, all in the same direction. Not exactly news. >> >> There are things that might stop it, but voting is not one of them. >> >> ----------- >> >> What can slow it down is actions which keep alive the hopes born in >> Wisconsin & OWS. It is quite correct that voting can't make a difference. >> >> If Obama wins, Wisconsin/OWS remains on the sidelines at least until >> summer >> or fall; if Romney wins, politics may recover sooner from election-year >> doldrums. His victory would also perhaps save Social Security and >> Medicare. >> >> Carrol >> >> -- >> -- >> >> Michael J. Smith >> [email protected] >> >> http://stopmebeforeivoteagain.org >> http://fakesprogress.blogspot.com >> http://cars-suck.org >> >> For my part, I abominate all honorable respectable toils, >> trials, and tribulations of every kind whatsoever. >> _______________________________________________ >> pen-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pen-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l >> > > > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > > -- Facebook: Gar Lipow Twitter: GarLipow Solving the Climate Crisis web page: SolvingTheClimateCrisis.com Grist Blog: http://grist.org/author/gar-lipow/ Online technical reference: http://www.nohairshirts.com
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