I wondered if you'd come back, since you started this thread. Not only do we disagree, we disagree about what we disagree about.
I have no problem with you going on about capitalism and the labor theory of value and the transformation problem all you want. Where we come into conflict is your insistence that this is the only form of acceptable political activity: engagement in real-world politics is forbidden. On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Jim Devine <[email protected]> wrote: > Robert Naiman wrote: > > Anti-abortion Catholics experience more freedom of conscience than > > ideological leftists. For the ideological leftists, once the line is > > set, no meaningful evidence-based discussion is necessary or > > appropriate; only repetition of previously established slogans. > > so, Robert, are you saying that in contrast you're a "non-ideological > leftist"? or an "ideological non-leftist"? > > well, I guess that using "ideological leftist" is better than stopping > the discussion with the red-baiting term "Trot." Oh no, wait! Robert > uses that term later on in the thread. Oh well, hope springs eternal! > > It seems to me that there is a division here. Robert, it seems, > belongs to the inside-the-beltway left, which doesn't care about the > greater political-economic balance of power and so picks winners and > losers among the various politicos who play the establishment game > following the principle of the lesser of two evils.[*] On the other > hand, there are those who care about the socioeconomic big picture, > you know, capitalism and all that. Some of the latter, of course, are > people I'd disagree with. It's not monolithic and includes some of > those feared "Trots." > > Since this is my last post of the day (and first), I can't resist: > Q: what's the difference between a non-ideological > (inside-the-beltway) leftist and a Democratic Party apparchik? > A: > -- > Jim Devine / "Segui il tuo corso, e lascia dir le genti." (Go your > own way and let people talk.) -- Karl, paraphrasing Dante. > > [*] In Philip K. Dick's THE MAN IN THE HIGH CASTLE, there's an extreme > case: in the hypothetical Nazi-occupied USA in that novel, people > argue about which of the various high-level Nazis would be best to > replace the ailing Hitler as Fuhrer. > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > -- Robert Naiman Policy Director Just Foreign Policy www.justforeignpolicy.org [email protected]
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