On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Julio Huato <[email protected]> wrote:
> Abstractions like peace, bread, and land? > I'd like to hear Carrol elaborate. I'd agree with the assertion that "Real struggle has always been about abstractions. Never about so-called "concrete needs."". To me that would mean abstractions like justice, but Carrol has been known to reject such moralizing notions. -raghu. > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Carrol Cox <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Julio Huato writes: "As a rule, a mass of people divided under the >> pressures of day-to-day capitalist life won't struggle for or against >> abstractions. People struggle to meet concrete needs, as they perceive >> them >> in the given context. This is the paradox: Socialists are not the dog, >> but >> the tail. It is when they understand this well that they become an >> effective leading force. It is only then that the tail gets to wag the >> dog >> -- and under exceptional (yet decisive) circumstances." >> >> I think Andre Gorz answered this long ago. I can't get my head around all >> the relevant parameters now, but I don't think this statement should be >> left >> unchallenged. >> >> Real struggle has always been about abstractions. Never about so-called >> "concrete needs." >> >> Carrol >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> pen-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l >> > > > _______________________________________________ > pen-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.csuchico.edu/mailman/listinfo/pen-l > >
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