On Sep 14, 2015, at 5:55 PM, Louis Proyect <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 9/14/15 5:40 PM, Marv Gandall wrote:
>> Louis has not read - or, more likely, would now repudiate - the
>> interpretation of the origins of the Cold War commonly held by the
>> so-called radical and left liberal “revisionist” historians: William
>> Appleman Williams (Tragedy of American Diplomacy), Lloyd Gardner
>> (Architects of Illusion), Barton Bernstein (“American Foreign Policy
>> and the Origins of the Cold War”). Walter LaFeber (America, Russia,
>> and the Cold War), Gabriel Kolko (Politics of War), Richard Barnet
>> (Roots of War), Thomas Paterson (Soviet-American Confrontation),
>> David Horowitz (Empire and Revolution), Bruce Kuklick (American
>> Policy and the Division of Germany), Gar Alperovitz (Atomic
>> Diplomacy), Harry Magdoff (Age of Imperialism), Ronald Steel (Pax
>> Americana), Stephen Ambrose (Rise to Globalism), Richard Freeland
>> (Truman Doctrine and the Origins of McCarthyism), Athan Theoharis
>> (Seeds of Repression), Diane Shaver Clemens (Yalta), Lawrence Wittner
>> (Cold War America), and D. F. Fleming (The Cold War and Its
>> Origins).
> 
> This is not about the origins of the Cold War, however. It is about how 
> Stalinist oppression created opportunities for the West.

I thought this thread was about the origins of the Cold War. At issue is 
whether “the encroachment of NATO at the doorstep of Russia is a direct outcome 
of the encroachment of the Red Army on nations throughout Eastern Europe.”  

Fact is that the Red Army “encroached”, as you put it, upon Eastern Europe in 
1944-45, prior to the onset of the Cold War. 

Moreover, I would never cast the Soviet advance in this negative light, and, 
more to the point, neither did  most East Europeans at that time. They regarded 
the Soviet troops as liberators from Nazi oppression rather than as invaders.

This also included Ukraine, which you seem to regard as the most conspicuous 
example of popular hostility to the Soviet Union. In fact, up until the recent 
fostering of ethnic hatred which exploded into the country’s current civil war, 
polls showed a majority of Ukrainians, “not only in the East, the South, and 
the Center, but also in the historic Western Ukrainian regions of Volhynia, 
Bukovyna, and Transcarpathia” had negative attitudes towards Bandera’s 
pro-fascist OUN-B and the UPA. Support for the Soviet side in World War II was 
particularly pronounced in the older generation most closely connected to that 
period, but also included younger Ukrainians, many of them born after the 
dissolution of the USSR. For the details, see: 
http://www.cpsa-acsp.ca/papers-2010/Katchanovski.pdf

As for the other examples you cite, the Soviet interventions in Czechoslovakia 
in 1948 and in Hungary in 1956, these did indeed “create opportunities for the 
West” but occurred well after the Red Army had chased the Nazi forces out of 
Western Europe. The widespread hostility which developed against the USSR in 
the postwar period was not a “direct outcome” of the Red Army advance which was 
also welcomed by all but the pro-fascist minorities in these countries.

The subsequent Soviet actions in Eastern Europe, however wrongheaded and 
damaging to the cause of socialism everywhere, are also more complex than you 
make out, and were in many respects a defensive reaction to the initiation of 
the Cold War and formation of NATO by the Truman administration with the 
enthusiastic support of Churchill’s government. I recommend again that you read 
or reread some of the texts pertaining to the origins of the Cold War I cited 
above.
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