It seems that you are making a Frederick Douglas type argument -- the
Constitution and its principles are correct, but have been misapplied.  I
don't think that is inconsistent with what I am suggesting.  Why could not
(or why should not) a socialist society adopt the language of the 1st
Amendment as its guiding principle for treatment of dissent in the society?
Because the 1st Amendment is very short, it will need interpretation in
concrete instances, so why not also see what the Supreme Court has done with
concrete instances?  It would have no obligation to be bound, but why
reinvent the wheel?

David Shemano

^^^

CB: I agree that a socialist society must have a principle of freedom of
speech. I don't see why not the language "Congress shall make no law
abridging freedom of speech" or whatever it is exactly.

 Now that you draw my attention to it, I don't see why a socialist society
wouldn't have a principle of judicial review, though I think it might be
necessary to make constitutional amendment a bit more readily available than
it is in the U.S. Constitution. I'd have to think about that. Socialism
might want law to be  more in the hands of the People and less in the hands
of a professional class, People's courts and all that.  That's worth
discussing.

As my first post claims, I think the U.S. Supreme Court's history in
interpreting the First Amendment provision on freedom of speech has been ,
unfortunately, fraudulent in that it upheld suppression of free speech for
socialists and communists at the points at which s and c's speech might have
effectively impacted important political events. What good is freedom of
speech if you don't have it when your speech might shape politics ? In that
regard, the lessons from  Supreme Court's decisions are negative, but I
don't see why we can't use that experience in the way you say ; but how
_not_ to use the First Amendment.

I have to confess to you that I hold that Nazi and KKK speech ( fascistic
racist speech) should not be given First Amendment protection. I say we have
learned from history that their ideas have nothing worthwhile in them, and
we don't need to let them circulate in the marketplace of ideas. We can
decide constitutionally that we never, ever want a Nazi or KKK form of
government. Hasn't history taught us that ? In that respect, I have a more
concrete ,less abstract than most interpretation of history, perhaps.

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