On 31/03/2021 21:24, Matthew Knepley wrote:
    Ok so that's worth clarifying, but my problem is that dm has a
    0-overlap
    before DMPlexDistributeOverlap and odm has a 1-overlap even though I
    passed "0". If I understand what you just wrote, adding "0" more levels
    of overlap to 0-overlap, that should still be 0 overlap ?

    Yet when I look at the code of DMPlexDistributeOverlap, you're flagging
    points to be added to the overlap whatever "k" is.


Crap. There is a bug handling 0. Evidently, no one ever asks for overlap 0.
Will fix.

ok now I'm sure I understand what you explained :) Thanks Matt.

Now we can look at the other question: I need to be able to pass the non-overlapping mesh to the remesher. I can either maintain 2 plexes, or trim the overlapping plex when I create the arrays I pass to the remesher. I'm not sure which is the best/worst ?

Thanks

--
Nicolas


   Thanks,

      Matt

    Sample code:
    static char help[] = "Tests plex distribution and overlaps.\n";

    #include <petsc/private/dmpleximpl.h>

    int main (int argc, char * argv[]) {

        DM             dm, odm;
        MPI_Comm       comm;
        PetscErrorCode ierr;

        ierr = PetscInitialize(&argc, &argv, NULL, help);if (ierr)
    return ierr;
        comm = PETSC_COMM_WORLD;

        ierr = DMPlexCreateBoxMesh(comm, 2, PETSC_TRUE, NULL, NULL, NULL,
    NULL, PETSC_TRUE, &dm);CHKERRQ(ierr);
        ierr = DMSetFromOptions(dm);CHKERRQ(ierr);



        ierr = PetscObjectSetName((PetscObject) dm, "DM
    before");CHKERRQ(ierr);
        ierr = DMViewFromOptions(dm, NULL, "-before_dm_view");CHKERRQ(ierr);
        DMPlexDistributeOverlap(dm, 0, NULL, &odm);
        ierr = PetscObjectSetName((PetscObject) odm, "DM
    after");CHKERRQ(ierr);
        ierr = DMViewFromOptions(odm, NULL, "-after_dm_view");CHKERRQ(ierr);


        ierr = DMDestroy(&dm);CHKERRQ(ierr);
        ierr = DMDestroy(&odm);CHKERRQ(ierr);
        ierr = PetscFinalize();
        return ierr;
    }

    % mpiexec -n 2 ./test_overlapV3 -dm_plex_box_faces 5,5 -dm_distribute
    -before_dm_view -after_dm_view
    DM Object: DM before 2 MPI processes
        type: plex
    DM before in 2 dimensions:
        0-cells: 21 21
        1-cells: 45 45
        2-cells: 25 25
    Labels:
        depth: 3 strata with value/size (0 (21), 1 (45), 2 (25))
        celltype: 3 strata with value/size (0 (21), 1 (45), 3 (25))
        marker: 1 strata with value/size (1 (21))
        Face Sets: 1 strata with value/size (1 (10))
    DM Object: DM after 2 MPI processes
        type: plex
    DM after in 2 dimensions:
        0-cells: 29 29
        1-cells: 65 65
        2-cells: 37 37
    Labels:
        depth: 3 strata with value/size (0 (29), 1 (65), 2 (37))
        celltype: 3 strata with value/size (0 (29), 1 (65), 3 (37))
        marker: 1 strata with value/size (1 (27))
        Face Sets: 1 strata with value/size (1 (13))



     >
     >    Thanks,
     >
     >       Matt
     >
     >     Thanks,
     >
     >     --
     >     Nicolas
     >
     >      >
     >      >    Thanks,
     >      >
     >      >       Matt
     >      >
     >      >         if (!dm) {printf("Big problem\n"); dm = odm;}
     >      >         else     {DMDestroy(&odm);}
     >      >         ierr = PetscObjectSetName((PetscObject) dm, "Initial
     >      >     DM");CHKERRQ(ierr);
     >      >         ierr = DMViewFromOptions(dm, NULL,
     >      >     "-initial_dm_view");CHKERRQ(ierr);
     >      >
     >      >
     >      >         ierr = DMDestroy(&dm);CHKERRQ(ierr);
     >      >         ierr = PetscFinalize();
     >      >         return ierr;
     >      >     }
     >      >
     >      >     called with mpiexec -n 2 ./test_overlapV3 -initial_dm_view
     >      >     -dm_plex_box_faces 5,5 -dm_distribute
     >      >
     >      >     gives:
     >      >     DM Object: Initial DM 2 MPI processes
     >      >         type: plex
     >      >     Initial DM in 2 dimensions:
     >      >         0-cells: 29 29
     >      >         1-cells: 65 65
     >      >         2-cells: 37 37
     >      >     Labels:
     >      >         depth: 3 strata with value/size (0 (29), 1 (65), 2
    (37))
     >      >         celltype: 3 strata with value/size (0 (29), 1
    (65), 3 (37))
     >      >         marker: 1 strata with value/size (1 (27))
     >      >         Face Sets: 1 strata with value/size (1 (13))
     >      >
     >      >     which is not what I expect ?
     >      >
     >      >     Thanks,
     >      >
     >      >     --
     >      >     Nicolas
     >      >
     >      >     On 31/03/2021 19:02, Matthew Knepley wrote:
     >      >      > Alright, I think the problem had to do with keeping
    track
     >     of what
     >      >     DM you
     >      >      > were looking at. This code increases the overlap of an
     >     initial DM:
     >      >      >
     >      >      > static char help[] = "Tests plex distribution and
     >     overlaps.\n";
     >      >      >
     >      >      > #include <petsc/private/dmpleximpl.h>
     >      >      >
     >      >      > int main (int argc, char * argv[]) {
     >      >      >
     >      >      >    DM             dm, dm2;
     >      >      >    PetscInt       overlap;
     >      >      >    MPI_Comm       comm;
     >      >      >    PetscErrorCode ierr;
     >      >      >
     >      >      >    ierr = PetscInitialize(&argc, &argv, NULL,
    help);if (ierr)
     >      >     return ierr;
     >      >      >    comm = PETSC_COMM_WORLD;
     >      >      >
     >      >      >    ierr = DMPlexCreateBoxMesh(comm, 2, PETSC_TRUE,
    NULL,
     >     NULL, NULL,
     >      >      > NULL, PETSC_TRUE, &dm);CHKERRQ(ierr);
     >      >      >    ierr = DMSetFromOptions(dm);CHKERRQ(ierr);
     >      >      >    ierr = PetscObjectSetName((PetscObject) dm, "Initial
     >      >     DM");CHKERRQ(ierr);
     >      >      >    ierr = DMViewFromOptions(dm, NULL,
     >      >     "-initial_dm_view");CHKERRQ(ierr);
     >      >      >
     >      >      >    ierr = DMPlexGetOverlap(dm, &overlap);CHKERRQ(ierr);
     >      >      >    ierr = DMPlexDistributeOverlap(dm, overlap+1, NULL,
     >      >     &dm2);CHKERRQ(ierr);
     >      >      >    ierr = PetscObjectSetName((PetscObject) dm2,
    "More Overlap
     >      >      > DM");CHKERRQ(ierr);
     >      >      >    ierr = DMViewFromOptions(dm2, NULL,
     >      >     "-over_dm_view");CHKERRQ(ierr);
     >      >      >
     >      >      >    ierr = DMDestroy(&dm2);CHKERRQ(ierr);
     >      >      >    ierr = DMDestroy(&dm);CHKERRQ(ierr);
     >      >      >    ierr = PetscFinalize();
     >      >      >    return ierr;
     >      >      > }
     >      >      >
     >      >      > and when we run it we get the expected result
     >      >      >
     >      >      > master *:~/Downloads/tmp/Nicolas$
     >     /PETSc3/petsc/apple/bin/mpiexec
     >      >     -n 2
     >      >      > ./test_overlap -initial_dm_view -dm_plex_box_faces 5,5
     >      >     -dm_distribute
     >      >      > -dm_distribute_overlap 1 -over_dm_view
     >      >      > DM Object: Initial DM 2 MPI processes
     >      >      >    type: plex
     >      >      > Initial DM in 2 dimensions:
     >      >      >    0-cells: 29 29
     >      >      >    1-cells: 65 65
     >      >      >    2-cells: 37 37
     >      >      > Labels:
     >      >      >    depth: 3 strata with value/size (0 (29), 1 (65),
    2 (37))
     >      >      >    celltype: 3 strata with value/size (0 (29), 1
    (65), 3 (37))
     >      >      >    marker: 1 strata with value/size (1 (27))
     >      >      >    Face Sets: 1 strata with value/size (1 (13))
     >      >      > DM Object: More Overlap DM 2 MPI processes
     >      >      >    type: plex
     >      >      > More Overlap DM in 2 dimensions:
     >      >      >    0-cells: 36 36
     >      >      >    1-cells: 85 85
     >      >      >    2-cells: 50 50
     >      >      > Labels:
     >      >      >    depth: 3 strata with value/size (0 (36), 1 (85),
    2 (50))
     >      >      >    celltype: 3 strata with value/size (0 (36), 1
    (85), 3 (50))
     >      >      >    marker: 1 strata with value/size (1 (40))
     >      >      >    Face Sets: 1 strata with value/size (1 (20))
     >      >      >
     >      >      >    Thanks,
     >      >      >
     >      >      >       Matt
     >      >      >
     >      >      > On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:57 PM Matthew Knepley
     >      >     <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
     >     <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>
     >      >      > <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>
     >     <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>>> wrote:
     >      >      >
     >      >      >     Okay, let me show a really simple example that
    gives
     >     the expected
     >      >      >     result before I figure out what is going wrong for
     >     you. This code
     >      >      >
     >      >      >     static char help[] = "Tests plex distribution and
     >     overlaps.\n";
     >      >      >
     >      >      >     #include <petsc/private/dmpleximpl.h>
     >      >      >
     >      >      >     int main (int argc, char * argv[]) {
     >      >      >        DM                    dm;
     >      >      >        MPI_Comm       comm;
     >      >      >        PetscErrorCode ierr;
     >      >      >
     >      >      >        ierr = PetscInitialize(&argc, &argv, NULL,
    help);if
     >     (ierr)
     >      >     return
     >      >      >     ierr;
     >      >      >        comm = PETSC_COMM_WORLD;
     >      >      >
     >      >      >        ierr = DMPlexCreateBoxMesh(comm, 2,
    PETSC_TRUE, NULL,
     >      >     NULL, NULL,
     >      >      >     NULL, PETSC_TRUE, &dm);CHKERRQ(ierr);
     >      >      >        ierr = DMSetFromOptions(dm);CHKERRQ(ierr);
     >      >      >        ierr = PetscObjectSetName((PetscObject) dm,
    "Initial
     >      >      >     DM");CHKERRQ(ierr);
     >      >      >        ierr = DMViewFromOptions(dm, NULL,
     >      >     "-initial_dm_view");CHKERRQ(ierr);
     >      >      >        ierr = DMDestroy(&dm);CHKERRQ(ierr);
     >      >      >        ierr = PetscFinalize();
     >      >      >        return ierr;
     >      >      >     }
     >      >      >
     >      >      >     can do all the overlap tests. For example, you
    can run
     >     it naively
     >      >      >     and get a serial mesh
     >      >      >
     >      >      >     master *:~/Downloads/tmp/Nicolas$
     >      >     /PETSc3/petsc/apple/bin/mpiexec -n
     >      >      >     2 ./test_overlap -initial_dm_view
    -dm_plex_box_faces 5,5
     >      >      >     DM Object: Initial DM 2 MPI processes
     >      >      >        type: plex
     >      >      >     Initial DM in 2 dimensions:
     >      >      >        0-cells: 36 0
     >      >      >        1-cells: 85 0
     >      >      >        2-cells: 50 0
     >      >      >     Labels:
     >      >      >        celltype: 3 strata with value/size (0 (36),
    3 (50),
     >     1 (85))
     >      >      >        depth: 3 strata with value/size (0 (36), 1
    (85), 2
     >     (50))
     >      >      >        marker: 1 strata with value/size (1 (40))
     >      >      >        Face Sets: 1 strata with value/size (1 (20))
     >      >      >
     >      >      >     Then run it telling Plex to distribute after
    creating
     >     the mesh
     >      >      >
     >      >      >     master *:~/Downloads/tmp/Nicolas$
     >      >     /PETSc3/petsc/apple/bin/mpiexec -n
     >      >      >     2 ./test_overlap -initial_dm_view
    -dm_plex_box_faces 5,5
     >      >     -dm_distribute
     >      >      >     DM Object: Initial DM 2 MPI processes
     >      >      >        type: plex
     >      >      >     Initial DM in 2 dimensions:
     >      >      >        0-cells: 21 21
     >      >      >        1-cells: 45 45
     >      >      >        2-cells: 25 25
     >      >      >     Labels:
     >      >      >        depth: 3 strata with value/size (0 (21), 1
    (45), 2
     >     (25))
     >      >      >        celltype: 3 strata with value/size (0 (21),
    1 (45),
     >     3 (25))
     >      >      >        marker: 1 strata with value/size (1 (21))
     >      >      >        Face Sets: 1 strata with value/size (1 (10))
     >      >      >
     >      >      >     The get the same thing back with overlap = 0
     >      >      >
     >      >      >     master *:~/Downloads/tmp/Nicolas$
     >      >     /PETSc3/petsc/apple/bin/mpiexec -n
     >      >      >     2 ./test_overlap -initial_dm_view
    -dm_plex_box_faces 5,5
     >      >      >     -dm_distribute -dm_distribute_overlap 0
     >      >      >     DM Object: Initial DM 2 MPI processes
     >      >      >        type: plex
     >      >      >     Initial DM in 2 dimensions:
     >      >      >        0-cells: 21 21
     >      >      >        1-cells: 45 45
     >      >      >        2-cells: 25 25
     >      >      >     Labels:
     >      >      >        depth: 3 strata with value/size (0 (21), 1
    (45), 2
     >     (25))
     >      >      >        celltype: 3 strata with value/size (0 (21),
    1 (45),
     >     3 (25))
     >      >      >        marker: 1 strata with value/size (1 (21))
     >      >      >        Face Sets: 1 strata with value/size (1 (10))
     >      >      >
     >      >      >     and get larger local meshes with overlap = 1
     >      >      >
     >      >      >     master *:~/Downloads/tmp/Nicolas$
     >      >     /PETSc3/petsc/apple/bin/mpiexec -n
     >      >      >     2 ./test_overlap -initial_dm_view
    -dm_plex_box_faces 5,5
     >      >      >     -dm_distribute -dm_distribute_overlap 1
     >      >      >     DM Object: Initial DM 2 MPI processes
     >      >      >        type: plex
     >      >      >     Initial DM in 2 dimensions:
     >      >      >        0-cells: 29 29
     >      >      >        1-cells: 65 65
     >      >      >        2-cells: 37 37
     >      >      >     Labels:
     >      >      >        depth: 3 strata with value/size (0 (29), 1
    (65), 2
     >     (37))
     >      >      >        celltype: 3 strata with value/size (0 (29),
    1 (65),
     >     3 (37))
     >      >      >        marker: 1 strata with value/size (1 (27))
     >      >      >        Face Sets: 1 strata with value/size (1 (13))
     >      >      >
     >      >      >        Thanks,
     >      >      >
     >      >      >           Matt
     >      >      >
     >      >      >     On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 12:22 PM Nicolas Barral
     >      >      >     <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>
     >     <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>
     >      >     <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>
     >     <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>>
     >      >      >     <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>
     >     <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>
     >      >     <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>
     >     <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>>>> wrote:
     >      >      >
     >      >      >
     >      >      >
     >      >      >         @+
     >      >      >
     >      >      >         --
     >      >      >         Nicolas
     >      >      >
     >      >      >         On 31/03/2021 17:51, Matthew Knepley wrote:
     >      >      >          > On Sat, Mar 27, 2021 at 9:27 AM Nicolas
    Barral
     >      >      >          > <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>
     >     <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>
     >      >     <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>
     >     <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>>
     >      >      >         <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>
     >     <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>
     >      >     <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>
     >     <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>>>
     >      >      >          >
    <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>
     >     <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>
     >      >     <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>
     >     <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>>
     >      >      >         <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>
     >     <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>
     >      >     <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>
     >     <mailto:[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>>>>>> wrote:
     >      >      >          >
     >      >      >          >     Hi all,
     >      >      >          >
     >      >      >          >     First, I'm not sure I understand
    what the
     >     overlap
     >      >      >         parameter in
     >      >      >          >     DMPlexDistributeOverlap does. I
    tried the
     >     following:
     >      >      >         generate a small
     >      >      >          >     mesh on 1 rank with
    DMPlexCreateBoxMesh, then
     >      >     distribute
     >      >      >         it with
     >      >      >          >     DMPlexDistribute. At this point I
    have two nice
     >      >      >         partitions, with shared
     >      >      >          >     vertices and no overlapping cells.
    Then I call
     >      >      >         DMPlexDistributeOverlap
     >      >      >          >     with the overlap parameter set to 0
    or 1,
     >     and get the
     >      >      >         same resulting
     >      >      >          >     plex in both cases. Why is that ?
     >      >      >          >
     >      >      >          >
     >      >      >          > The overlap parameter says how many cell
     >     adjacencies to go
     >      >      >         out. You
     >      >      >          > should not get the same
     >      >      >          > mesh out. We have lots of examples that use
     >     this. If
     >      >     you send
     >      >      >         your small
     >      >      >          > example, I can probably
     >      >      >          > tell you what is happening.
     >      >      >          >
     >      >      >
     >      >      >         Ok so I do have a small example on that and the
     >     DMClone
     >      >     thing I
     >      >      >         set up
     >      >      >         to understand! I attach it to the email.
     >      >      >
     >      >      >         For the overlap, you can change the overlap
     >     constant at
     >      >     the top
     >      >      >         of the
     >      >      >         file. With OVERLAP=0 or 1, the distributed
     >     overlapping mesh
     >      >      >         (shown using
     >      >      >         -over_dm_view, it's DMover) are the same, and
     >     different
     >      >     from the
     >      >      >         mesh
     >      >      >         before distributing the overlap (shown using
     >      >     -distrib_dm_view). For
     >      >      >         larger overlap values they're different.
     >      >      >
     >      >      >         The process is:
     >      >      >         1/ create a DM dm on 1 rank
     >      >      >         2/ clone dm into dm2
     >      >      >         3/ distribute dm
     >      >      >         4/ clone dm into dm3
     >      >      >         5/ distribute dm overlap
     >      >      >
     >      >      >         I print all the DMs after each step. dm has a
     >     distributed
     >      >      >         overlap, dm2
     >      >      >         is not distributed, dm3 is distributed but
    without
     >      >     overlap. Since
     >      >      >         distribute and distributeOverlap create new
    DMs, I
     >     don't seem
     >      >      >         have a
     >      >      >         problem with the shallow copies.
     >      >      >
     >      >      >
     >      >      >          >     Second, I'm wondering what would be
    a good
     >     way to
     >      >     handle
     >      >      >         two overlaps
     >      >      >          >     and associated local vectors. In my
    adaptation
     >      >     code, the
     >      >      >         remeshing
     >      >      >          >     library requires a non-overlapping mesh,
     >     while the
     >      >      >         refinement criterion
     >      >      >          >     computation is based on hessian
     >     computations, which
     >      >      >         require a layer of
     >      >      >          >     overlap. What I can do is clone the
    dm before
     >      >      >         distributing the overlap,
     >      >      >          >     then manage two independent plex
    objects with
     >      >     their own
     >      >      >         local sections
     >      >      >          >     etc. and copy/trim local vectors
    manually.
     >     Is there a
     >      >      >         more automatic
     >      >      >          >     way
     >      >      >          >     to do this ?
     >      >      >          >
     >      >      >          >
     >      >      >          > DMClone() is a shallow copy, so that
    will not work.
     >      >     You would
     >      >      >         maintain
     >      >      >          > two different Plexes, overlapping
     >      >      >          > and non-overlapping, with their own sections
     >     and vecs. Are
     >      >      >         you sure you
     >      >      >          > need to keep around the non-overlapping one?
     >      >      >          > Maybe if I understood what operations
    you want
     >     to work, I
     >      >      >         could say
     >      >      >          > something more definitive.
     >      >      >          >
     >      >      >         I need to be able to pass the
    non-overlapping mesh
     >     to the
     >      >      >         remesher. I
     >      >      >         can either maintain 2 plexes, or trim the
    overlapping
     >      >     plex when
     >      >      >         I create
     >      >      >         the arrays I give to the remesher. I'm not sure
     >     which is the
     >      >      >         best/worst ?
     >      >      >
     >      >      >         Thanks
     >      >      >
     >      >      >         --
     >      >      >         Nicolas
     >      >      >
     >      >      >
     >      >      >          >    Thanks,
     >      >      >          >
     >      >      >          >       Matt
     >      >      >          >
     >      >      >          >     Thanks
     >      >      >          >
     >      >      >          >     --
     >      >      >          >     Nicolas
     >      >      >          >
     >      >      >          >
     >      >      >          >
     >      >      >          > --
     >      >      >          > What most experimenters take for granted
    before
     >     they
     >      >     begin their
     >      >      >          > experiments is infinitely more
    interesting than any
     >      >     results
     >      >      >         to which
     >      >      >          > their experiments lead.
     >      >      >          > -- Norbert Wiener
     >      >      >          >
     >      >      >          > https://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/
     >      >      >         <http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/>
     >      >      >
     >      >      >
     >      >      >
     >      >      >     --
     >      >      >     What most experimenters take for granted before
    they
     >     begin their
     >      >      >     experiments is infinitely more interesting than any
     >     results
     >      >     to which
     >      >      >     their experiments lead.
     >      >      >     -- Norbert Wiener
     >      >      >
     >      >      > https://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/
     >      >      >     <http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/>
     >      >      >
     >      >      >
     >      >      >
     >      >      > --
     >      >      > What most experimenters take for granted before
    they begin
     >     their
     >      >      > experiments is infinitely more interesting than any
     >     results to which
     >      >      > their experiments lead.
     >      >      > -- Norbert Wiener
     >      >      >
     >      >      > https://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/
     >      >     <http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/>
     >      >
     >      >
     >      >
     >      > --
     >      > What most experimenters take for granted before they begin
    their
     >      > experiments is infinitely more interesting than any
    results to which
     >      > their experiments lead.
     >      > -- Norbert Wiener
     >      >
     >      > https://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/
     >     <http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/>
     >
     >
     >
     > --
     > What most experimenters take for granted before they begin their
     > experiments is infinitely more interesting than any results to which
     > their experiments lead.
     > -- Norbert Wiener
     >
     > https://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/
    <http://www.cse.buffalo.edu/~knepley/>



--
What most experimenters take for granted before they begin their experiments is infinitely more interesting than any results to which their experiments lead.
-- Norbert Wiener

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