>>pointers/white papers, about the PFC conversion process into Java.<<
My statement about conversion of the PFC to Java is purely hypothetical
speculation and may bring either shouts of derision or accumulation from the
other PFC-SIGers. Since both languages are OO and perform the essentially
the same functionality, I'm assuming the translation would be straight
forward. But it would be a translation, not a conversion. You would have
to look at the purpose of each object in the PFC and re-engineer that into a
Java object that has the same functionality but does it using Java in the
"Java" way. In other words, the PFC is your blue print, not your source
code... The first person to it will become a Billionaire (he/she will also
have to keep Sybase's lawyers at bay). But like they say, you can't
copyright an idea...
So there are no white papers you can give your boss. There may be something
out there, but I don't have it -- but if you find it, let me know...
>>I have seen J++, Visual Cafe. Is there a clear leader ?<<
The answer in no, except the Sun Micro systems created the language and owns
the rights and FAIK intends to set the basic standards. However, their
tools also seems to be the most primitive and most expensive. My research
has been minimal but right now I feel Symantec's Visual Cafe is the best,
has the most sophisticated IDE and is the closest to PB, thought far, far
behind.
Silver Stream may be the product that will offer the most seamless
translation to PB as it creators are the same people who created PB.
-----Original Message-----
From: Anand [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 11:23 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: PFCSIG Abandoning Ship ???
Hello,
I am reading this thread with great enthusiasm, hoping to gain new insights
about software trends.
I am a PB developer with a few years of experience, just starting my voyage
of discovery of Java.
Your last point greatly interests me. I would greatly appreciate it, if you
could provide me wih some pointers/white papers,
about the PFC conversion process into Java.
Also, what is the industry preferred Dev. environment for Java.
I have seen J++, Visual Cafe. Is there a clear leader ? What is your take on
this ?
Thanks for your time,
Anand
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> All,
>
> I'm not an expert, only a casual observer taking a cursory look at this
> issue, but here is my point-of-view:
> 1) Java is the future.
> 2) Java is nearly identical to PB -- probably because both are simply
> higher
> level incarnations of the same language; C/C++.
> 3) None of Java's development tools such as the IDE are as sophisticated
> as
> PB's but that will come with time assuming demand from the developers and
> R&D from the vendors.
> 4) Java run time is slow but that will improve with tuning of the language
> and more powerful PCs.
> 5) Java is a true multi-platform language.
> 6) The PFC could be copied/converted into JAVA and used as a foundation
> class for JAVA resulting in a minimal learning curve for PB developers who
> migrate to it.
>
> Lester LaForce
> Consultant, COMSYS
> U.S. Army, Personnel Information Systems Directorate
> Washington Dc area
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 1:19 AM
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> Subject: PFCSIG Abandoning Ship ???
>
>
> Our department has approximately 20 programmers. Most of our projects are
> for
> our company (600 employees) and I'd say that about a third devleop with
> PowerBuilder (including yours truly), a third with VB and a third with
> Developer
> . Our database for all our projects is Oracle. We're starting to think in
> terms
> of internet/intranet. We'd like to move over to using only one of the
> above
> tools, and we've arranged a meeting next week to discuss it. The general
> consensus is:
>
> 1. PowerBuilder is currently the most 'advanced' of the three.
> 2. The learning curve and development time is greater in PB than the
> others.
> 3. Developer is currently the 'weaker' of the three.
> 4. PB is a little behind in all that's involved with the Web
>
> We're looking for a long-term strategy, and there's where VB (Microsoft)
> and
> Developer (Oracle) have the big advantage over PB.
>
> Any opinions - references to papers written on the subject -
> facts/statistics -
> etc. would be welcome.
>
> I personally would love to stay with PB - I've been with it since v3.0 -
> but
> there's a lot of pressure to dump PB and move over to PB
>
> Thanks
>
> David Lerner
>
>
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