On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Magnus Hagander <mag...@hagander.net> wrote:
>> The original complaint was not actually that "prefer" is a bad default,
>> but that in the presence of a root certificate on the client, a
>> certificate validation failure falls back to plain text.  That seems
>> like a design flaw of the "prefer" mode, no matter whether it is the
>> default or not.
> The entire "prefer" mode is a design flaw, that we unfortunately picked as
> default mode.

Well, you keep saying that, but what I'm saying is you should stop
complaining about and start figuring out how to fix it. :-)

> If it fails *for any reason*, it falls back to plaintext. Thus, you have to
> assume it will make a plaintext connection. Thus, it gives you zero
> guarantees, so it serves no actual purpose from a security perspective.
> it will equally fall back on incompatible SSL configs. Or on a network
> hiccup. The presence of the certificate is just one of many different
> scenarios where it will fall back.
> If you care about encryption, you should pick something else
> (require/verify). If you don't care about encryption, you should pick
> something else (allow, probably) so as not to pay unnecessary overhead.

If we think trying to push everyone on to SSL isn't a good plan, then
how about changing the default to allow?

Robert Haas
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