On 8/4/16 2:00 AM, Torsten Zuehlsdorff wrote:
Postgresql is very "zfs-like" in its internals. The problem was a bug
in postgresql that caused it to just write data to the wrong place.
On 03.08.2016 21:05, Robert Haas wrote:
On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Tom Lane <t...@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote:
Robert Haas <robertmh...@gmail.com> writes:
I don't think they are saying that logical replication is more
reliable than physical replication, nor do I believe that to be true.
I think they are saying that if logical corruption happens, you can
fix it by typing SQL statements to UPDATE, INSERT, or DELETE the
affected rows, whereas if physical corruption happens, there's no
equally clear path to recovery.
Well, that's not an entirely unreasonable point, but I dispute the
implication that it makes recovery from corruption an easy thing to do.
How are you going to know what SQL statements to issue? If the master
database is changing 24x7, how are you going to keep up with that?
I think in many cases people fix their data using business logic. For
example, suppose your database goes down and you have to run
pg_resetxlog to get it back up. You dump-and-restore, as one does,
and find that you can't rebuild one of your unique indexes because
there are now two records with that same PK. Well, what you do is you
look at them and judge which one has the correct data, often the one
that looks more complete or the one with the newer timestamp. Or,
maybe you need to merge them somehow. In my experience helping users
through problems of this type, once you explain the problem to the
user and tell them they have to square it on their end, the support
call ends. The user may not always be entirely thrilled about having
to, say, validate a problematic record against external sources of
truth, but they usually know how to do it. Database bugs aren't the
only way that databases become inaccurate. If the database that they
use to keep track of land ownership in the jurisdiction where I live
says that two different people own the same piece of property,
somewhere there is a paper deed in a filing cabinet. Fishing that out
to understand what happened may not be fun, but a DBA can explain that
problem to other people in the organization and those people can get
it fixed. It's a problem, but it's fixable.
On the other hand, if a heap tuple contains invalid infomask bits that
cause an error every time you read the page (this actually happened to
an EnterpriseDB customer!), the DBA can't tell other people how to fix
it and can't fix it personally either. Instead, the DBA calls me.
After reading this statement the ZFS filesystem pops into my mind. It
has protection build in against various problems (data degradation,
current spikes, phantom writes, etc).
For me this raises two questions:
1) would the usage of ZFS prevent such errors?
My feeling would say yes, but i have no idea about how a invalid
infomask bit could occur.
2) would it be possible to add such prevention to PostgreSQL
I know this could add a massive overhead, but it its optional this
could be a fine thing?
Some vendors use ZFS under databases to provide very cool services such
as backup snapshots, test snapshots and other such uses. I think Joyent
is one such vendor but I'm not 100% sure.
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