On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 5:47 AM, Robert Haas <robertmh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 9:50 PM, Haribabu Kommi
> <kommi.harib...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Open Items:
> >
> > 1. The BitmapHeapScan and TableSampleScan are tightly coupled with
> > HeapTuple and HeapScanDesc, So these scans are directly operating
> > on those structures and providing the result.
> >
> > These scan types may not be applicable to different storage formats.
> > So how to handle them?
> I think that BitmapHeapScan, at least, is applicable to any table AM
> that has TIDs.   It seems to me that in general we can imagine three
> kinds of table AMs:
> 1. Table AMs where a tuple can be efficiently located by a real TID.
> By a real TID, I mean that the block number part is really a block
> number and the item ID is really a location within the block.  These
> are necessarily quite similar to our current heap, but they can change
> the tuple format and page format to some degree, and it seems like in
> many cases it should be possible to plug them into our existing index
> AMs without too much heartache.  Both index scans and bitmap index
> scans ought to work.
> 2. Table AMs where a tuple has some other kind of locator.  For
> example, imagine an index-organized table where the locator is the
> primary key, which is a bit like what Alvaro had in mind for indirect
> indexes.  If the locator is 6 bytes or less, it could potentially be
> jammed into a TID, but I don't think that's a great idea.  For things
> like int8 or numeric, it won't work at all.  Even for other things,
> it's going to cause problems because the bit patterns won't be what
> the code is expecting; e.g. bitmap scans care about the structure of
> the TID, not just how many bits it is.  (Due credit: Somebody, maybe
> Alvaro, pointed out this problem before, at PGCon.)  For these kinds
> of tables, larger modifications to the index AMs are likely to be
> necessary, at least if we want a really general solution, or maybe we
> should have separate index AMs - e.g. btree for traditional TID-based
> heaps, and generic_btree or indirect_btree or key_btree or whatever
> for heaps with some other kind of locator.  It's not too hard to see
> how to make index scans work with this sort of structure but it's very
> unclear to me whether, or how, bitmap scans can be made to work.
> 3. Table AMs where a tuple doesn't really have a locator at all.  In
> these cases, we can't support any sort of index AM at all.  When the
> table is queried, there's really nothing the core system can do except
> ask the table AM for a full scan, supply the quals, and hope the table
> AM has some sort of smarts that enable it to optimize somehow.  For
> example, you can imagine converting cstore_fdw into a table AM of this
> sort - ORC has a sort of inbuilt BRIN-like indexing that allows whole
> chunks to be proven uninteresting and skipped.  (You could use chunk
> number + offset to turn this into a table AM of the previous type if
> you wanted to support secondary indexes; not sure if that'd be useful,
> but it'd certainly be harder.)
> I'm more interested in #1 than in #3, and more interested in #3 than
> #2, but other people may have different priorities.

Hi Robert,

Thanks for the details and your opinion.
I also agree that option#1 is better to do first.

Hari Babu
Fujitsu Australia

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