On 04 May 2001 15:44:23 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Back from the weekend with sunburn (very important sign that it has stopped raining here on the west of Europe!!!!) > > > All this does > > is move the problem from being one that non-english countries have to > > being one where it is a non-english and non-western european problem > > (eg. Eastern Europe, Russia, etc.). > > Nonsense. The non-Western-European folks see broken behavior now > anyway, unless they compile with MULTIBYTE and set an appropriate > encoding. How would this make their lives worse, or even different? > > I'm merely suggesting that the default behavior could be made useful > to a larger set of people than it now is, without making things any > worse for those that it's not useful to. This reminds me of e-mail software when I joined the net. 7 bit ASCII only software made the use of accents impossible so we learnt to type without them or put up with garbage in our mail. I must agree with Tom here. There is a 256 caracter alphabet which is standard in many languages. For North America, Spanish and French spring to mind. How are you going to build a common market if these two languages plus Brasilian Portugese are not supported in business software? Multibyte is supported for other alphabets. This is already a wonderfull achievement for those concerned. The standard backend should in my opinion support the LATIN alphabet. US ASCII is a subset of that alphabet, it is not _the_ alphabet. The JDBC and Java itself should also support the whole alphabet. All this should be transparent for the programmer and the end user. Another battle to be fought... Cheers Tony Grant -- RedHat Linux on Sony Vaio C1XD/S http://www.animaproductions.com/linux2.html Macromedia UltraDev with PostgreSQL http://www.animaproductions.com/ultra.html ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly