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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Tom Lane
Sent: Sat 7/30/2005 4:58 PM
To: Magnus Hagander
Cc: PostgreSQL-patches
Subject: Re: [PATCHES] Updated instrumentation patch 
> None of these functions are getting into 8.1 anyway; we should be
> designing the long-term solution not making up short-lived hacks.

So, going back to pre 8.0, we fixed them so they don't work outside of the data 
directory as requested, yet they were not included for unknown reasons.

We revisited some weeks before prior to feature freeze, and I researched all 
issues raised and ask for clarification on what you weren't happy with as all 
I'd found in the archives was a sentence along the lines of "I really don't see 
any value in these". I found no outstanding issues in the archives, nor did I 
receive any in response to my questions.

Having received no further objections, the patch was added to the queue. As 
soon as Bruce starts to look at it, presumably to apply it, you decide it's an 
unnacceptable security problem, and say you'd be perfectly happy if there was a 
GUC to disable the potentially dangerous functions. This info would have been 
nice before feature freeze, but, OK, I appreciate you're busy.

Magnus updates the patch because he's yet another one of us that thinks this is 
useful functionality and adds the GUC you said would make you happy with these 

You then state, with no discussion at all, that they're not going into 8.1 
anyway, despite us doing everything you have asked.

I have two questions if I may:

1) Is there any point us working on any kind of enhanced API for remote admin 
in the future, or will the same treatment be given to that?

2) Do you now have sole say over what does and doesn't go into the project?

I don't mean to be disrespectful - your hard work and skills are hugely 
appreciated by the whole community, but I know for a fact that a number of 
them, who between them have contributed thousands of hours and lines of code to 
the project (and I'm talking about the core project, never mind pgAdmin et al) 
cannot understand your apparent insistence on us not providing remote admin 
capabilities. I think we simply need clarification on how the project works 
these days.

Regards, Dave

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